Are Rosaries another lie

[Starlight]

Mine has 99 beads, i think it can be different.

It is because Allah has 99 names?

 

[Starlight]

Pagans also pray so I guess Christians need to stop praying.

Uhm..Catholics is christians.

 

[Spirit of Light]

It is because Allah has 99 names?

For me as a sufi the prayer beads are used for different ways of zikr ogf remembrance of Allah, and one of the zikr are repeated 99 times. But yes the zikr do have to with Allah's names

 

[Aupmanyav]

Since we have many Gods, many types of beads also. There are fancy ones also made of coral, etc.
Hindu rosaries have 108 beads.
Tulsi (Vishnu - Holy Basil), Rudhraksha (Shiva - Elaeocarpus ganitrus)

 

[PruePhillip]

Rosaries:
When I was a child they used to be ubiquitous, in some countries they still are.

They are used mainly by Catholic devotees to mechanically tell a prayer upon each bead.

There never was any question in my mind as to their origin, everyone "knew" it was of Catholic origin, even the Pope was wearing one. And everyone knew that to use one in prayer was a sign of piety and a sure way for our prayers to be heard.

But that is a lie.

Because the fact is, that it was not introduced by the papacy , and is not supported by the bible.
Rather it is an old instrument of pagan worship.

The Rosaries was used as a sacred instrument among the ancient Mexicans.
It is commonly employed among the Brahmans of Hindustan.
In Tibet it has been used since time immemorial.
It was used in China, in Asiatic Greece and in Pagan Rome.

With the Rosaries the mechanical and mindless repetition of prayer and incantations is introduced, another Pagan practice.


Do you think this practice is in direct contradiction to Jesus words (Mat6:7) and a hindrance to the need of approaching God with clear mind and heart ?
Or rather do you agree with the practice of using instruments such as the rosary to attract God's attention.

Lots of things in this world are 'no harm' but also, 'no good.'
Started out simple enough, preachers stopped going around the towns, settled in one place and
built churches around themselves. Then Passover became 'Easter' which is a 'Christian' Passover.
Then more holy days were added to this. Pretty soon this church will killing those who opposed
them. I suggest that Diotrephes in John's Epistle could have been one of the earliest Catholic
'Bishops.' And Diotrephes opposed the Ministry of the Apostolic Church.
And rosaries are just another example of this.

 

[RestlessSoul]

You see these everywhere in Greece. Although Greece is an Orthodox Christian country, and remained so throughout the Ottoman annexation, I'm told worry beads have no religious significance. Any Greeks on here who can confirm the origins of these things?

 

[Starlight]

You see these everywhere in Greece. Although Greece is an Orthodox Christian country, and remained so throughout the Ottoman annexation, I'm told worry beads have no religious significance. Any Greeks on here who can confirm the origins of these things?

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Im not Ortodox christian or Greek but i have read in books that prayer beads is very often used by ortodox Christians.

One sentence many ortodox christians say when they use a prayer bead is:
Lord Jesus Christ, son of God have mercy on me a sinner

 

[Starlight]

Rosaries:
When I was a child they used to be ubiquitous, in some countries they still are.

They are used mainly by Catholic devotees to mechanically tell a prayer upon each bead.

There never was any question in my mind as to their origin, everyone "knew" it was of Catholic origin, even the Pope was wearing one. And everyone knew that to use one in prayer was a sign of piety and a sure way for our prayers to be heard.

But that is a lie.

Because the fact is, that it was not introduced by the papacy , and is not supported by the bible.
Rather it is an old instrument of pagan worship.

The Rosaries was used as a sacred instrument among the ancient Mexicans.
It is commonly employed among the Brahmans of Hindustan.
In Tibet it has been used since time immemorial.
It was used in China, in Asiatic Greece and in Pagan Rome.

With the Rosaries the mechanical and mindless repetition of prayer and incantations is introduced, another Pagan practice.


Do you think this practice is in direct contradiction to Jesus words (Mat6:7) and a hindrance to the need of approaching God with clear mind and heart ?
Or rather do you agree with the practice of using instruments such as the rosary to attract God's attention.

Both Catholic christians and Ortodox christians use prayer beads.

So no, prayer beads is not only pagan. It is christian too

 

[blü 2]

Even if it is mindless, it is soothing like an infant sucking at the soother; better than thinking about conflicts and money.

You remind me of a line from the Wessex News of 1938 June 13:

"Knitting gives women something to think about while they're talking."

 

[sojourner]

Rosaries:
When I was a child they used to be ubiquitous, in some countries they still are.

They are used mainly by Catholic devotees to mechanically tell a prayer upon each bead.

There never was any question in my mind as to their origin, everyone "knew" it was of Catholic origin, even the Pope was wearing one. And everyone knew that to use one in prayer was a sign of piety and a sure way for our prayers to be heard.

But that is a lie.

Because the fact is, that it was not introduced by the papacy , and is not supported by the bible.
Rather it is an old instrument of pagan worship.

The Rosaries was used as a sacred instrument among the ancient Mexicans.
It is commonly employed among the Brahmans of Hindustan.
In Tibet it has been used since time immemorial.
It was used in China, in Asiatic Greece and in Pagan Rome.

With the Rosaries the mechanical and mindless repetition of prayer and incantations is introduced, another Pagan practice.


Do you think this practice is in direct contradiction to Jesus words (Mat6:7) and a hindrance to the need of approaching God with clear mind and heart ?
Or rather do you agree with the practice of using instruments such as the rosary to attract God's attention.

There is “another lie” here, but it ain’t the Rosary.

 

[sojourner]

Lots of things in this world are 'no harm' but also, 'no good.'
Started out simple enough, preachers stopped going around the towns, settled in one place and
built churches around themselves. Then Passover became 'Easter' which is a 'Christian' Passover.
Then more holy days were added to this. Pretty soon this church will killing those who opposed
them. I suggest that Diotrephes in John's Epistle could have been one of the earliest Catholic
'Bishops.' And Diotrephes opposed the Ministry of the Apostolic Church.
And rosaries are just another example of this.

Revisionist history helps nothing.

 

[Rival]

Uhm..Catholics is christians.

I know. I think you missed my point.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Did the Watchtower just put out some anti-Catholic content in a recent publication or something?

Give it a rest, people. We get it, you don't like Catholicism.

I mean, there’s plenty to be mad about with Catholicism but a mnemonics device seems really petty.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Do you think this practice is in direct contradiction to Jesus words (Mat6:7) and a hindrance to the need of approaching God with clear mind and heart ?
Or rather do you agree with the practice of using instruments such as the rosary to attract God's attention.

You suddenly care about the words of Jesus?

I mean, your OP - like many of your threads - is basically giving a big middle finger to Matthew 7:3-5 and Luke 6:41-42.

 

[Rival]

I mean, there’s plenty to be mad about with Catholicism but a mnemonics device seems really petty.

Especially when many JWs memorise by rote scriptural answers to almost every single question.

 

[stvdv]

With the Rosaries the mechanical and mindless repetition of prayer and incantations is introduced, another Pagan practice

Wrong, the Pagan practice is totally not mechanical and mindless repetition of prayer and incantations

Do you think this practice is in direct contradiction to Jesus words (Mat6:7) and a hindrance to the need of approaching God with clear mind and heart ?

Probably it is, when you do it mechanical and mindless, you might as well use a tape recorder

Or rather do you agree with the practice of using instruments such as the rosary to attract God's attention.

Not when you do it mechanical and mindless repetition of prayers, according to my Master (who is an incarnation of God (Poorna Avatar))

 

[Sandra Jayne]

Ok... Maybe you could provide links to sources that show that rosaries are connected to paganism; or are you just assuming things?

No-one seems to know for sure but historical pagans and modern 'witches' used and use something very similar given the name 'witches ladder'. This was a knotted rope where bones, feathers and so forth were attached. Knots tied into cords or ropes during the repetitions of chants, incantations, spells, prayers and curses and were used in many cultures.

 

[Sandra Jayne]

Rosaries:
When I was a child they used to be ubiquitous, in some countries they still are.

They are used mainly by Catholic devotees to mechanically tell a prayer upon each bead.

There never was any question in my mind as to their origin, everyone "knew" it was of Catholic origin, even the Pope was wearing one. And everyone knew that to use one in prayer was a sign of piety and a sure way for our prayers to be heard.

But that is a lie.

Because the fact is, that it was not introduced by the papacy , and is not supported by the bible.
Rather it is an old instrument of pagan worship.

The Rosaries was used as a sacred instrument among the ancient Mexicans.
It is commonly employed among the Brahmans of Hindustan.
In Tibet it has been used since time immemorial.
It was used in China, in Asiatic Greece and in Pagan Rome.

With the Rosaries the mechanical and mindless repetition of prayer and incantations is introduced, another Pagan practice.


Do you think this practice is in direct contradiction to Jesus words (Mat6:7) and a hindrance to the need of approaching God with clear mind and heart ?
Or rather do you agree with the practice of using instruments such as the rosary to attract God's attention.

I would have thought when one prays the words should come from the heart, difficult to see how praying while counting your beads and being repetitive can be sincere. Bit like reciting the ten times table.

 

[SigurdReginson]

I would have thought when one prays the words should come from the heart, difficult to see how praying while counting your beads and being repetitive can be sincere. Bit like reciting the ten times table.

Eh... And some folks might look at christians praying (sometimes the same prayer) before every meal and think the same thing.

I'll tell you one thing, though. When you do repeat things over and over, it really does internalize it. If it's internalized, it becomes part of the heart.

 

[Sandra Jayne]

The use of prayer beads or knotted ropes long predates the modern Rosary. But the Rosary itself is of Catholic origin. Tradition says it was given to Saint Dominic by the Blessed Virgin in a vision. Pious legends aside there's no reason to posit anything insidious about its development. As I have just said, the use of Rosary like devices goes back to very early Christian practice.


By pagan you mean anything which does not fit within the Watchtower Society's myopic vision of what Christianity is meant to be. Sure, perhaps pagans did and do use similar devices in their devotions, I know Muslims do. But that does not mean the idea of prayer counters is in itself bad.


The Rosary is not an incantation. And you're meant to pray with attention mediating on prescribed biblical scenes (mysteries).


No.


What is prayer but attention to God? The Rosary is just a prayer. Only in the fevered imaginations of modern day puritans is there anything insidious about it.

Seems to me the attention is on the beads not on God.

The origins of the rosary are "sketchy" at best. The use of "prayer beads" and the repeated recitation of prayers to aid in meditation stem from the earliest days of the Church and has roots in pre-Christian times. The History of the Rosary (catholiceducation.org)

I was under the impression God hated all things of pagan origins.