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Are Rosaries another lie

Rival

Rival

Diex Aie
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Premium Member
Sandra Jayne said:
Seems to me the attention is on the beads not on God.

The origins of the rosary are "sketchy" at best. The use of "prayer beads" and the repeated recitation of prayers to aid in meditation stem from the earliest days of the Church and has roots in pre-Christian times. The History of the Rosary (catholiceducation.org)

I was under the impression God hated all things of pagan origins.
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The God of the Bible and Pagans:

Pagans give incense to God/s, the biblical God asks incense be burned.

Pagans give animal and food sacrifice, the biblical God asks for animal and food sacrifice.

Pagans have scriptures, the biblical God wrote scriptures.

Pagans have holidays, the biblical God instituted holidays.

Pagans have ceremonial dress, the biblical God instituted ceremonial dress.

It goes on and on. Just because 'teh paganz' do it, doesn't make it evil. If Pagans brush their teeth do you stop brushing your teeth?
 
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The church carry traditions and sayings of Jesus as well as disciples, who said the Bible is the only source of information? The Jews also kept a lot of the sayings of their Prophets ALONG with the Torah and holy books revealed, and they study that a long with commentary of scholars about those words of the Prophets.

This we don't need Jesus or Messengers own commentary on holy books to me is very foolish.

There is for example by one church a whole detailed account of when Satan was kicked out by Michael and Gabriel and Angels under him, and this was a very important day for Jesus and he marked it, and it goes well with the Bible and Gospels.

I don't like this, let's all just study holy books with no commentary of chosen ones, we can interpret it all the best, no need of their interpretation. It leads astray from my point of view.
 
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For example the Messengers chosen by God commentary on "image of God" and Adam (a) is beautiful and there is a whole inward science or can be said the whole foundation of Kabala (inward spiritual teachings of Judaism) is on that commentary of those sayings of the Prophets. Most Muslims and Christians don't even know about this and go into the Torah without reading how the Messengers including Moses (a) brought out it's treasures and revealed the beauty of it and then many if not most Muslims say "how can people think Torah and Gospels and books between are actually from God" when they read it in the same way a Christian who doesn't believe in the Quran or Jew who doesn't believe in the Quran, reads the Quran.

Messengers have a message along with their Nubuwa (scripture receiving role on behalf of humanity with God), and can bring about wonders of holy books.

This one reason among many I want to learn Hebrew and Latin because it opens so many doors up and Quran is a commentary that builds on top of the Bible and has it's own paradigm and way.
 
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pearl

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Neuropteron said:
They are used mainly by Catholic devotees to mechanically tell a prayer upon each bead.
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The Rosary concerns the mysteries of the birth, death resurrection of Jesus.

The Annunciation

The Visitation

The Nativity

The Presentation

The finding of Jesus in the Temple


Glorious Mysteries

Resurrection, Ascension, descent of the Holy Spirit


Sorrowful Mysteries

The agony in the garden

The scourging at the pillar

The crowing with thorns

Carrying of the cross

The Crucifixion

Do you see anything there that is unbiblical?
 
Saint Frankenstein

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RestlessSoul said:
You see these everywhere in Greece. Although Greece is an Orthodox Christian country, and remained so throughout the Ottoman annexation, I'm told worry beads have no religious significance. Any Greeks on here who can confirm the origins of these things?

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I don't know about those specifically, but Orthodox Christians have prayer ropes which are similar to prayer beads. Those are probably used for the same things.
 
Sandra Jayne

Sandra Jayne

Member
Rival said:
The God of the Bible and Pagans:

Pagans give incense to God/s, the biblical God asks incense be burned.

Pagans give animal and food sacrifice, the biblical God asks for animal and food sacrifice.

Pagans have scriptures, the biblical God wrote scriptures.

Pagans have holidays, the biblical God instituted holidays.

Pagans have ceremonial dress, the biblical God instituted ceremonial dress.

It goes on and on. Just because 'teh paganz' do it, doesn't make it evil. If Pagans brush their teeth do you stop brushing your teeth?
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I'm trying to be objective here rather than emotional.
It is rarely what one does but why one does it.

Different pagans can have different beliefs but are all practising what Yahweh condemns and while individuals might not be evil the practise is and therefore all who engage in such practises are complicit.
1. Ancestor worship
2. Polytheist
3.Magic
3.While might have individual moral compasses but denies the concept of sin which essentially denies the ransom of Christ. This makes them not unchristian but anti-Christian so are an anathema to God.
 
Rival

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Sandra Jayne said:
I'm trying to be objective here rather than emotional.
It is rarely what one does but why one does it.

Different pagans can have different beliefs but are all practising what Yahweh condemns and while individuals might not be evil the practise is and therefore all who engage in such practises are complicit.
1. Ancestor worship
2. Polytheist
3.Magic
3.While might have individual moral compasses but denies the concept of sin which essentially denies the ransom of Christ. This makes them not unchristian but anti-Christian so are an anathema to God.
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1. I don't ancestor worship.
2. I'm a monotheist.
3. I don't believe in magic (as practiced by some Pagans).
4.This is my moral compass:

  1. I have not committed sin.
  2. I have not committed robbery with violence.
  3. I have not stolen.
  4. I have not slain men or women.
  5. I have not stolen food.
  6. I have not swindled offerings.
  7. I have not stolen from God/Goddess.
  8. I have not told lies.
  9. I have not carried away food.
  10. I have not cursed.
  11. I have not closed my ears to truth.
  12. I have not committed adultery.
  13. I have not made anyone cry.
  14. I have not felt sorrow without reason.
  15. I have not assaulted anyone.
  16. I am not deceitful.
  17. I have not stolen anyone’s land.
  18. I have not been an eavesdropper.
  19. I have not falsely accused anyone.
  20. I have not been angry without reason.
  21. I have not seduced anyone’s wife.
  22. I have not polluted myself.
  23. I have not terrorized anyone.
  24. I have not disobeyed the Law.
  25. I have not been exclusively angry.
  26. I have not cursed God/Goddess.
  27. I have not behaved with violence.
  28. I have not caused disruption of peace.
  29. I have not acted hastily or without thought.
  30. I have not overstepped my boundaries of concern.
  31. I have not exaggerated my words when speaking.
  32. I have not worked evil.
  33. I have not used evil thoughts, words or deeds.
  34. I have not polluted the water.
  35. I have not spoken angrily or arrogantly.
  36. I have not cursed anyone in thought, word or deeds.
  37. I have not placed myself on a pedestal.
  38. I have not stolen what belongs to God/Goddess.
  39. I have not stolen from or disrespected the deceased.
  40. I have not taken food from a child.
  41. I have not acted with insolence.
  42. I have not destroyed property belonging to God/Goddess.

Next?
 
Sandra Jayne

Sandra Jayne

Member
Rival said:
1. I don't ancestor worship.
2. I'm a monotheist.
3. I don't believe in magic (as practiced by some Pagans).
4.This is my moral compass:

  1. I have not committed sin.
  2. I have not committed robbery with violence.
  3. I have not stolen.
  4. I have not slain men or women.
  5. I have not stolen food.
  6. I have not swindled offerings.
  7. I have not stolen from God/Goddess.
  8. I have not told lies.
  9. I have not carried away food.
  10. I have not cursed.
  11. I have not closed my ears to truth.
  12. I have not committed adultery.
  13. I have not made anyone cry.
  14. I have not felt sorrow without reason.
  15. I have not assaulted anyone.
  16. I am not deceitful.
  17. I have not stolen anyone’s land.
  18. I have not been an eavesdropper.
  19. I have not falsely accused anyone.
  20. I have not been angry without reason.
  21. I have not seduced anyone’s wife.
  22. I have not polluted myself.
  23. I have not terrorized anyone.
  24. I have not disobeyed the Law.
  25. I have not been exclusively angry.
  26. I have not cursed God/Goddess.
  27. I have not behaved with violence.
  28. I have not caused disruption of peace.
  29. I have not acted hastily or without thought.
  30. I have not overstepped my boundaries of concern.
  31. I have not exaggerated my words when speaking.
  32. I have not worked evil.
  33. I have not used evil thoughts, words or deeds.
  34. I have not polluted the water.
  35. I have not spoken angrily or arrogantly.
  36. I have not cursed anyone in thought, word or deeds.
  37. I have not placed myself on a pedestal.
  38. I have not stolen what belongs to God/Goddess.
  39. I have not stolen from or disrespected the deceased.
  40. I have not taken food from a child.
  41. I have not acted with insolence.
  42. I have not destroyed property belonging to God/Goddess.

Next?
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Didn't realise we had a saint on the thread.
 
SigurdReginson

SigurdReginson

Grēne Mann
Premium Member
Sandra Jayne said:
I'm trying to be objective here rather than emotional.
It is rarely what one does but why one does it.

Different pagans can have different beliefs but are all practising what Yahweh condemns and while individuals might not be evil the practise is and therefore all who engage in such practises are complicit.
1. Ancestor worship
2. Polytheist
3.Magic
3.While might have individual moral compasses but denies the concept of sin which essentially denies the ransom of Christ. This makes them not unchristian but anti-Christian so are an anathema to God.
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Anti-christian? I'm struggling to see how...

Does you, not accepting the 9 virtues, mean you are anti-Asatru?

Or maybe it could just be that they are on a different walk. A different path. Why does there have to be opposition?
 
Sandra Jayne

Sandra Jayne

Member
SigurdReginson said:
Anti-christian? I'm struggling to see how...

Does you, not accepting the 9 virtues, mean you are anti-Asatru?

Or maybe it could just be that they are on a different walk. A different path. Why does there have to be opposition?
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Anti-christian? I'm struggling to see how...
Jesus’ willing sacrifice provides a “release by ransom” from sin which brings redemption and a chance of salvation. If, as some pagans believe there is no such thing a 'sin' 'redemption' or 'salvation' then Jesus' sacrifice was pointless and they are calling the God of the scriptures a liar. I'd call that anti-Christian.
 
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