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Are Satan and Hell as bad they say?
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darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
Who told you that? Thats what they tell information-absorbing young minds so they stand in line and do not question the absurd position the church maintains about many many things. Satan represent evil to most people, simply so they have something to blame their faults on. Instead of accepting that we as humans are not perfect, they wipe their slate clean by finding someone or something else to blame. What great morals.
Lucifer tried to create another paradise, and ended up creating hell, I think is what happened.
He doesn't want us to suffer. He took pity on us and gave us fire, for crying out loud! (Lucifer and Prometheus are the same beings in my opinion) It's just that in trying to help us, he ends up hurting us. Though with the whole "fire" thing, the ill that caused was really just Zeus being Zeus.
gnostic
The Lost One
Apart from the Roman myth that Lucifer (Morning Star) being the son of Aurora (Greek Eos; goddess of Dawn), there were no such person as Lucifer being Satan or the Devil. That was simply Jerome's translation of Son of Morning.
Lucifer is only mention once by name in the bible (in Isaiah 14:12), and only in Latin translation (Jerome's Vulgate Bible) and some of the English translations that persisted on using Lucifer. It what you get, when you have silly Christian authors translating the Hebrew Scriptures and twisting the words to suit themselves.
The "Son of Morning", or the Morning Star is identified with the King of Babylon, not to any Devil or Satan.
And if Lucifer is indeed the Morning Star, then Jesus has been mentioned twice as the Morning Star and to the Dawn (though not to Lucifer explicitly in both 2 Peter 19 and Revelation 22:16).
If you meant the "Devil", then use Devil, but please do not use Lucifer.
Lucifer is only mention once by name in the bible (in Isaiah 14:12), and only in Latin translation (Jerome's Vulgate Bible) and some of the English translations that persisted on using Lucifer. It what you get, when you have silly Christian authors translating the Hebrew Scriptures and twisting the words to suit themselves.
The "Son of Morning", or the Morning Star is identified with the King of Babylon, not to any Devil or Satan.
And if Lucifer is indeed the Morning Star, then Jesus has been mentioned twice as the Morning Star and to the Dawn (though not to Lucifer explicitly in both 2 Peter 19 and Revelation 22:16).
If you meant the "Devil", then use Devil, but please do not use Lucifer.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
To me Lucifer represents liberty, individualism, and dissent against tyranny. Rather noble virtues.
Regardless of whatever Lucifer originally was or meant, the name has become synonymous with the Devil, for better or worse.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
No. Satan is my buddy and Hell is where I will take my final stand against God if it's real.
Well it could be that because Lucifer had one of the highest position in heaven, that of leading Gods worship and fail in his rebellion and was cast out of heavens and God gave that position to humanity he hates us with passion, actually I think that hell is worst than they say, Satan is it ruler and there is an eternal separation from God for those that are sent there after judgement, that is worst than been burned for ever and ever, there is no way to leave hell and cross to heaven after the Judgement, to know this is worst than been burned.
BruceDLimber
Well-Known Member
Greetings!
In the Baha'i view, that s not how things are!
First off, God is One, Supreme, All Good, and has no rival or equal! There is thus no "devil" out there trying to get you. And evil is simply the relative absence of good, not an actual "thing" in itself, just as darkness is merely the absence of light (which is proven because you can bring light into a dark room, but not dark into a light room).
Satan simply refers to our own lower (animal) nataure when we give it control instead of our higher (spiritual) nature.
And everybody goes into the Next Life, and our status when we arrive there is a function of whether (and how well) we've acquired in this life the spiritual virtues needed both then and now!
Heaven is the spiritual condition of nearness to God; hell is remoteness. As such they exist here and now as well as after death! And in this life we can change from one to the other in an instant as a function of where our heads are at.
Regardless of where we start out in the Next Life (nearness or remoteness), our scriptures assure us that God, in His Infinite Mercy and Love, will assist everyone eventually to draw nearer to Him, so that we all ultimately do indeed arrive in Heaven!
So I'm happy to say prospects are far better than the descriptions you seem to have been hearing somewhere! . . .
Best,
Bruce
In the Baha'i view, that s not how things are!
First off, God is One, Supreme, All Good, and has no rival or equal! There is thus no "devil" out there trying to get you. And evil is simply the relative absence of good, not an actual "thing" in itself, just as darkness is merely the absence of light (which is proven because you can bring light into a dark room, but not dark into a light room).
Satan simply refers to our own lower (animal) nataure when we give it control instead of our higher (spiritual) nature.
And everybody goes into the Next Life, and our status when we arrive there is a function of whether (and how well) we've acquired in this life the spiritual virtues needed both then and now!
Heaven is the spiritual condition of nearness to God; hell is remoteness. As such they exist here and now as well as after death! And in this life we can change from one to the other in an instant as a function of where our heads are at.
Regardless of where we start out in the Next Life (nearness or remoteness), our scriptures assure us that God, in His Infinite Mercy and Love, will assist everyone eventually to draw nearer to Him, so that we all ultimately do indeed arrive in Heaven!
So I'm happy to say prospects are far better than the descriptions you seem to have been hearing somewhere! . . .
Best,
Bruce
Heneni
Miss Independent
God does not have a rival that can overpower him. Still the devil thinks he can overpower god. The god of delusion is delusional in that regard himself. But he is not able to see the truth about that little detail, because truth is hidden from him, he is the father of all lies. And he uses mankind to try and accomplish the overthrow of gods plans. And he thinks, really thinks, he can do it.
Heneni
Heneni
gnostic
The Lost One
riverwolf said:
But with NT comparing Jesus to the Morning Star, then Jesus = Lucifer too.
There is absolutely nothing to link Lucifer to Satan, and nothing to the Devil.
As to Satan.
Other than the NT, the OT doesn't show Satan as being evil. He is God's middle man from what we can see in Job, doing God's bidding. If Satan is evil, then so is God, because God is ultimately responsible for Satan's action.
Only in NT do we see Satan turned into the Devil, a different personality altogether. Which image is true?
Wandered Off
Sporadic Driveby Member
No idea, but the obvious moral of the story is that the two most powerful beings in the universe are fighting over who gets to be our savior. Go us!
rojse
RF Addict
Or as good as they say?
tennis_hero
Member
:sarcastic
Rev 20
10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown
Rev 21
8But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liarstheir place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."
I'm not preaching to you- i know how you hate to see anything from the bible in front of you- i'm not preaching to you
