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Are the 10 Commandments as a whole valid today?

WALL

Member
Because the Mosaiic Law only applies to Jews, as found in Torah.

Not so Metis. Out of the writings of Paul

EPHES. 2 [11] Wherefore remember, that ye being IN TIME PAST GENTILES in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANTS OF PROMISE, having no hope, and without God in the world: [13] BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. [14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

We {gentiles}were once STRANGERS from Gods covenants of promise, having no hope. BUT NOW in Christ, should we take hold of those covenants, we have hope

ISAIAH 56 [6] Also the sons of THE STRANGER, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one THAT KEEPETH THE SABBATH from polluting it, and TAKETH HOLD OF MY COVENANT; [7] EVEN THEM WILL I BRING TO MY HOLY MOUNTAIN, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for ALL PEOPLE.

Even them (us gentile STRANGERS mentioned in Ephes.2) will He bring to His holy mountain, if we should take hold of His sabbath covenant. Jesus will bring us to the 1000yr period of rest

EXODUS 31 [16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the SABBATH, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a PERPETUAL COVENANT.

The above scripture points to one of those covenants spoken of in Ephes.2

ROMANS 1 [30] Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, [31] without understanding, COVENANTBREAKERS, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: [32] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

And you can see who Paul lumps in with the covenantbreakers. Not good company
 

WALL

Member
What we read in Acts is the church gradually walking away from the Law, such as Peter's vision that negated keeping kosher for them,

Not so again

ACTS 10 [9] On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:[10] And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,[11] And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:[12] Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.[13] And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.[14] But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.[15] And the voice spake unto him again the second time, WHAT GOD HATH CLEANSED, THAT CALL NOT THOU COMMON.

ACTS 10 [25] And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.[26] But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.[27] And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.[28] And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but GOD HATH SHEWED ME THAT I SHOULD NOT CALL ANY MAN COMMON OR UNCLEAN.

Acts 10 was speaking of the gentiles. Not piggies
 

atpollard

Active Member
It may be a small point, but Exodus 20:1-2 prefaces the 10 commandments with "And God spoke all these words: 'I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.'"
Technically, God didn't. Specifically, I'm not a descendant of Jacob, so he didn't lead me (or my ancestors) out of Egypt. So while I have no real problem with keeping the 10 commandments, they are a good idea, on what basis would a gentile muscle in on a Covenant between God and another group of people? I have trouble understanding the logic of Replacement Theology. Why would God's promise to someone else, suddenly become God's promise to me? That seems just plain crazy.

Apply it to any other contract. Go to the bank and tell them your neighbor got a home equity loan, so you are here to pick up his money because his loan is your loan. Go to the new car dealer and tell them that they repaired your neighbor's new Ford under the factory warranty, so you want them to repair your Honda for free as well.

Now I have specific promises from Jesus that are for me under the New Covenant, and I have no problem laying claim to those promises and accepting those moral restrictions. Personally, I think that reading the OT makes it pretty clear that the Law is not 10 commandments, but a package deal. All or nothing. Even the NT says as much. I also have a problem actually imagining a scenario where you can KEEP Jesus two commandments and still break one of the Ten Commandments. I'd be interested in hearing a hypothetical on how you thought that might be done.

Then I am forced to wonder about poor (or lucky) Abraham. Was it OK for him to lie and kill since he didn't have the 10 commandments? If that was the case, then I am now confused about the story of Cain and Abel ... I mean, that was WAY before the 10 Commandments so what was God's beef with Cain. There was no Law against killing. ... Unless, of course, the TWO commands that Jesus presented have always been the standard and everything else was just something to help us understand what Loving God and Loving our neighbor REALLY means. Then Cain's murder was wrong, Abraham's lies were wrong, Israel's (the nation) unfaithfulness was wrong, and our Christian Legalism will not get us over the finish line either. The 10 commandments are not the absolute standard, they are just the signpost pointing to a far higher standard of Holiness. That was the point of the Sermon on the Mount, after all.

Fortunately, I believe that all scripture is 'God Breathed' (I know, not a popular belief in these parts), so I stand on the decision of the Jerusalem Council with respect to how much of the Law a gentile (like me) is required to keep:

Acts 15:22-29
22 Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:


The apostles and elders, your brothers,

To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

Farewell.


From the perspective of the OT Law, I avoid pagan religious practices (what the verse is actually referring to ... temple orgies of food and sex to celebrate false gods) ... the modern slaughter laws eliminated most of the rest and sexual immorality is the current temptress of our society. From the perspective of the New Covenant, I strive to Love God and my neighbor, and I pay close attention to Jesus warnings about God's POV on sin like hate=murder and lust=adultery. From Jesus '2 Laws' I seem to have no problem coloring within the lines of the 10 commandments without attempting to steal another people's Covenant. I am legitimately entitled to the Covenant of Adam and the Covenant of Noah and the Covenant of Jesus. If the NT authors are to be believed, I am also entitled to the Covenant of Abraham as an adopted child of 'righteousness'. I see no reason to muscle in in the Covenant of Moses and definitely no justification for cherry-picking from the Covenant of Moses.

Thank you for listening, this was an interesting topic.
 

WALL

Member
The early Christians should have seen this sabbath change coming. They were actually givin many warnings about the bad guys and what they would do. The warnings are all around the new testament.

1 PETER 5 [8] Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a ROARING LION, walketh about, SEEKING WHOM HE MAY DEVOUR:

ROARING LIONS! The bad guys

MATT.7 [14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.[15] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are RAVENING WOLVES.

FALSE PROPHETS! They are RAVENING WOLVES. “The many” will follow these false prophets and but a few will take the way of life.

ACTS 20 [29] For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous WOLVES ENTER IN among you, not sparing the flock.[30] Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, TO DRAW AWAY DISCIPLES after them.

The GRIEVOUS WOLVES been hangin round from the beginning

EPH.4 [17] This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth WALK NOT AS OTHER GENTILES walk, in the VANITY of their mind,[18] Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:[19] Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all UNCLEANNESS with GREEDINESS.

All these warnings from the new testament are found in one scripture. “Day of the Lord” scriptures are not about ancient Israel. That day has not yet come. Day of the Lord scriptures do apply to christians (those who believe that Jesus came) and these scriptures will come to pass. To see what these ROARING LIONS and RAVENOUS WOLVES have done, simply read and believe the Word.

EZEK.22 [23] And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,[24] Son of man, say unto her, Thou art the land that is not cleansed, nor rained upon in the day of indignation.[25] There is A CONSPIRACY OF HER PROPHETS in the midst thereof, like a ROARING LION ravening the prey; THEY HAVE DEVOURED SOULS; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.[26] HER PRIESTS HAVE VIOLATED MY LAW, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the UNCLEAN AND THE CLEAN, and HAVE HID THEIR EYES FROM MY SABBATHS, and I am profaned among them.[27] Her princes in the midst thereof are like WOLVES RAVENING THE PREY, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get DISHONEST GAIN.[28] And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, SEEING VANITY, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken

A conspiracy of the prophets. HID THEIR EYES FROM MY SABBATHS! They meant to do it and they sure did pull it off despite the warnings. Up until the printing press, bibles were pretty scarce but even if someone discovered the Ezek.22 scripture Im sure the powers that be would have silenced that someone.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Not so Sir Metis, a: It was not only the tribe of Judah ... collectively we are Hebrews that accompanied
Moshe ....
The "Israelites" ("Hebrews") were comprised of the Twelve Tribes that were of the Abrahamic tradition that was marked by the circumcision of boys on the 8th day after birth. The name "Jews" never was ascribed to just one tribe, at least as far as we know. And the Law was not prescribed for non-Jews.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Not so Metis. Out of the writings of Paul

EPHES. 2 [11] Wherefore remember, that ye being IN TIME PAST GENTILES in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANTS OF PROMISE, having no hope, and without God in the world: [13] BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. [14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

We {gentiles}were once STRANGERS from Gods covenants of promise, having no hope. BUT NOW in Christ, should we take hold of those covenants, we have hope

ISAIAH 56 [6] Also the sons of THE STRANGER, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one THAT KEEPETH THE SABBATH from polluting it, and TAKETH HOLD OF MY COVENANT; [7] EVEN THEM WILL I BRING TO MY HOLY MOUNTAIN, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for ALL PEOPLE.

Even them (us gentile STRANGERS mentioned in Ephes.2) will He bring to His holy mountain, if we should take hold of His sabbath covenant. Jesus will bring us to the 1000yr period of rest

EXODUS 31 [16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the SABBATH, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a PERPETUAL COVENANT.

The above scripture points to one of those covenants spoken of in Ephes.2

ROMANS 1 [30] Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, [31] without understanding, COVENANTBREAKERS, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: [32] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

And you can see who Paul lumps in with the covenantbreakers. Not good company
I really don't care what Paul may or may not have written. The Mosaiic Law never was mandated for non-Jews, with the exception that if they lived in eretz Israel, then some of the Law had to be followed, especially those laws that could be classified as "civil law".
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Not so again

ACTS 10 [9] On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:[10] And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,[11] And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:[12] Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.[13] And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.[14] But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.[15] And the voice spake unto him again the second time, WHAT GOD HATH CLEANSED, THAT CALL NOT THOU COMMON.

ACTS 10 [25] And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.[26] But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.[27] And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.[28] And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but GOD HATH SHEWED ME THAT I SHOULD NOT CALL ANY MAN COMMON OR UNCLEAN.

Acts 10 was speaking of the gentiles. Not piggies
But Peter's vision negated the kosher Laws as found in Torah. Plus the church walked away from the Law to the point that even circumcision of converts was prohibited, thus leaving them outside of the Abrahamic Covenant.
 

WALL

Member
But Peter's vision negated the kosher Laws as found in Torah.

If you dont care what Paul says why would you care what you think Peter says

Anyways we Christians are to be kosher

2 COR. 6 [16] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. [17] Wherefore come out from among them, and BE YE SEPARATE, saith the Lord, AND TOUCH NOT THE UNCLEAN THING; and I will receive you, [18] And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

This NEW TESTAMENT scripture tells us as believers we are not to touch the unclean thing.

ISAIAH 52 [9] Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem: for the Lord hath comforted his people, he hath REDEEMED Jerusalem. [10] The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the SALVATION of our God. [11] Depart ye, depart ye, GO YE OUT from thence, TOUCH NO UNCLEAN THING; GO YE OUT OF THE MIDST OF HER; be ye clean, that bear the vessels of the Lord. [12] For ye shall not go out with haste, nor go by flight: for the Lord will go before you; and the God of Israel will be your rereward.

Redeemed. Salvation. Words you would find in the new testament concerning Jesus. And as is always the case, you will find whats being said in the new testament has already been said in the old or prophecied.Go ye out (be ye separate). Touch no unclean thing

LEVITICUS 20 [22] Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out. [23] And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them. [24] But I have said unto you, Ye shall inherit their land, and I will give it unto you to possess it, a land that floweth with milk and honey: I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD, WHICH HAVE SEPARATED YOU from other people. [25] YE SHALL THEREFORE PUT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CLEAN BEASTS AND UNCLEAN, and between unclean fowls and clean: and ye shall not make your souls abominable by beast, or by fowl, or by any manner of living thing that creepeth on the ground, which I have separated from you as unclean. [26] And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the Lord am holy, and have severed you from other people, THAT YE SHOULD BE MINE.

Be ye separate.{2 Cor.6}

DEUT. 14 [8] And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, IT IS UNCLEAN unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.

Everywhere theres lots of piggies living piggy lives.......

ISAIAH 66 [15] For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. [16] For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many. [17] They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, EATING SWINE'S FLESH, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.

Bottom line. Day of the Lord. Eat the piggy and die. Jew and gentile.



The above scripture is speaking of the “Day of the Lord”. Whats prophecied about that day will come to pass as written
 

atpollard

Active Member
Anyways we Christians are to be kosher

2 COR. 6 [16] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. [17] Wherefore come out from among them, and BE YE SEPARATE, saith the Lord, AND TOUCH NOT THE UNCLEAN THING; and I will receive you, [18] And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

This NEW TESTAMENT scripture tells us as believers we are not to touch the unclean thing.
Wait! Foul! Context, Context, Context.

2 Corinthinas 6:14-18
14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said:

“I will live with them
and walk among them,
and I will be their God,
and they will be my people.”
17 Therefore,
“Come out from them
and be separate,
says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you.”

18 And,
“I will be a Father to you,
and you will be my sons and daughters,
says the Lord Almighty.”


The context of Paul quoting snippets from the OT is all about MARRIAGE!

v.16 God dwells with His people, God does not have fellowship with his enemies.
v.17 Therefore, the people of God should not be joined in fellowship with the enemies of God.
v.18 If we obey, then we will continue to enjoy the benefits of God's favor.

The unclean thing in 2 Corinthians 6 isn't bacon, it is unbelievers, and 'touching' is a metaphor for marriage ... like when they 'knew' their wife.
 
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Muffled

Jesus in me
ISAIAH 48 [17] THUS SAITH THE LORD, THY REDEEMER, THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.[18] O THAT THOU HADST HEARKENED TO MY COMMANDMENTS! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

OK. So what does our Redeemer say about keeping the 10 commandments? Are you listening to Him?

I believe He doesn't say anything about them probably because He knows I know them and keep them. I always am listening to Him and He speaks through me. However what He says to me is usually personal and rarely a message for someone else. When He speaks to people through me on RF it is for those people on RF.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Was the Hebrew Law ever just the Ten? But to me the Law really seems like it was written and meant for the tribal people back a few thousand years ago. Now Jesus' commandments like turn the other cheek, don't lust or you've committed adultery, love your enemies, I don't think are kept very well... if at all. So why not? I think most Christians don't care or even try or don't even know what Jesus' commandments even are.

I would worry about it if Jesus had something to say to me about it. I would imagine a lot falls under His permissive will.
 

WALL

Member
Wait! Foul! Context, Context, Context.

2 Corinthinas 6:14-18
14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said:

“I will live with them
and walk among them,
and I will be their God,
and they will be my people.”
17 Therefore,

“Come out from them

and be separate,

says the Lord.

Touch no unclean thing,

and I will receive you.”

18 And,

“I will be a Father to you,

and you will be my sons and daughters,

says the Lord Almighty.”


The context of Paul quoting snippets from the OT is all about MARRIAGE!

v.16 God dwells with His people, God does not have fellowship with his enemies.
v.17 Therefore, the people of God should not be joined in fellowship with the enemies of God.
v.18 If we obey, then we will continue to enjoy the benefits of God's favor.

The unclean thing in 2 Corinthians 6 isn't bacon, it is unbelievers, and 'touching' is a metaphor for marriage ... like when they 'knew' their wife.

Youve got quite an imagination. All about marriage??? well....my wife aint the unclean thing
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Of course the problem is what do you do with the Sabbath? Did God/Jesus give this commandment? Then, where did Jesus put an end to it? And, like I've mentioned before, if it wasn't all that important, I sure would have hated to be the last person stoned to death for breaking it. But, as a Messianic, do you keep the Sabbath?

I believe I keep a seventh day of rest and religious observance. If it aint broke don't try to fix it.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Well if Jesus made the sabbath for man, why in the world would man deny Christ and not keep the sabbath day rest He created for man. YIKES!

Why? because Jesus is the end of the law - see Romans 10:4
The temporary Constitution of the Mosaic Law ended with Christ.
That is also why we do Not see the animal sacrifices kept as prescribed under the old Law.
 

atpollard

Active Member
Youve got quite an imagination. All about marriage??? well....my wife aint the unclean thing
2 Corinthians 6:14-16 make it clear that this section is about people and relationships, not inanimate objects. So even if you reject any applicability to marriage, you are not seriously claiming that you are being warned not to be 'yoked' to a side of bacon? The words "As God has said", "Therefore" and "And" in verses 16-18 all indicate that the quotes are tied to the point in the immediately preceding verses ... which are clearly about our relationships with people and not about touching things.

I don't know your wife, but if she is an "unbeliever" (v.14), "in darkness" (v.14), of "Belial" (v.15) and an "idol" (v.16), then she is indeed an "unclean thing" (v.17). If you are "righteousness" (v.14), "light" (v.14), in "Christ" (v.15) and "the temple of God" (v.16), then you are called to "not be yoked" or "fellowship" (v.14), and to "be separate" (v.17) from the "unclean thing". Since I know neither of you, this is not personal. You brought it up as an example. 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 is all about relationships, not dietary laws. You are misapplying the scripture you quoted.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Are the 10 commandments as a whole valid today?

Yes, they are and there is a way to test the validity of my affirmation. Let's pick up one of them, for instance, the one that says: "Thou shall not murder." You break that commandment and you will see where it will take you. Probably to a lifetime in prison if not a death sentence. Then, if you were in doubt when moved to ask that question, you will never forget that, indeed, the Decalogue is valid today.
 

Eliab ben Benjamin

Active Member
Premium Member
The temporary Constitution of the Mosaic Law ended with Christ.
That is also why we do Not see the animal sacrifices kept as prescribed under the old Law.

Untruth, the Romans ended us by the destruction of
Jerusalem .. and therefore the Temple and alter for
sacrifice ... reason we did, well we had many tribes
2 with roles of community service Duty to HaShem
and Civic management .. a regular sacrifice of the harvest fed those 2 ... logic
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Untruth, the Romans ended us by the destruction of
Jerusalem .. and therefore the Temple and alter for
sacrifice ... reason we did, well we had many tribes
2 with roles of community service Duty to HaShem
and Civic management .. a regular sacrifice of the harvest fed those 2 ... logic

Yes, the Romans ended that system in the year 70 when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem.
The Christians had already left Jerusalem in the year 66 - Luke 19:43-44; Luke 21:20-21
For Christians, the Constitution of the Mosaic Law ended with Pentecost - Acts of the Apostles 2
 
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