Are the Conservative going to shoot themselves in the foot over same-sex marriage?

[leibowde84]

It seems that the Conservative Presidential Candidates have their panties so twisted that they can't help themselves but destroy their own political aspirations. It is known now that more than 50% of Americans approve of same-sex civil marriage, so how do they think ideas like "constitutional conventions" and/or civil disobedience to the Supreme Court ruling will help them get elected in a national election. It seems to me that they are unable to "deal" with reality in this way. And, every day that they waste time on this issue, they are losing the opportunity to win over the independent voters they will undeniably need.

 

[jonathan180iq]

I'd say the majority of the players on this stage are decent human beings and don't really care one way or the other about these types of issue - they just have to pander to the wants and desires of their political brethren.

There's a serious problem with our political system when moderate conservative candidates don't stand a chance of winning their party's nomination without resorting to crackpot ideas and idiot-pandering

 

[LuisDantas]

My best understanding is that many or even most conservative politicians are actually deranged, of questionable morality or at least remarkably immature and unwise.

That said, I still think most of of them are intelligent enough to realize that their goals are losing overall support, yet not too many of them can realistically expect to survive politically by revising their positions. They will be branded weak-minded and betrayers by their supposed peers, and fail to enjoy notability when compared to their supposed former opponents.

So their typical survival strategy is to bet on raising spirits and encouraging extreme postures, so that they get more desperate, even fanatical loyalty in money and votes from those who feel bad about the winds of change.

Unfortunately, that also means that the saner minds will attempt to quietly drift away from the scene, while the most deranged will keep carrying the flags.

 

[Revoltingest]

It seems that the Conservative Presidential Candidates have their panties so twisted that they can't help themselves but destroy their own political aspirations. It is known now that more than 50% of Americans approve of same-sex civil marriage, so how do they think ideas like "constitutional conventions" and/or civil disobedience to the Supreme Court ruling will help them get elected in a national election. It seems to me that they are unable to "deal" with reality in this way. And, every day that they waste time on this issue, they are losing the opportunity to win over the independent voters they will undeniably need.

Have any links or quotes?
I ain't heard nuthin yet from them.

 

[leibowde84]

Have any links or quotes?
I ain't heard nuthin yet from them.

Just Google "conservative reactions to same-sex marriage decision". There are a lot of articles about various presidential candidates and their reaction to the SCOTUS ruling.

 

[Revoltingest]

Just Google "conservative reactions to same-sex marriage decision". There are a lot of articles about various presidential candidates and their reaction to the SCOTUS ruling.

You're failing to live up to your responsibility to entertain us!
Such claims deserve the offering of your favorite examples.
And this way, we needn't all individually & independently do the work.

 

[leibowde84]

You're failing to live up to your responsibility to entertain us!
Such claims deserve the offering of your favorite examples.
And this way, we needn't all individually & independently do the work.

Fair enough. Give me a second.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Have any links or quotes?
I ain't heard nuthin yet from them.

A BBC article quoted Huckabee as saying the ruling is "tyranny."
It gave me an urge to shorten his name to just Huck so I can put a certain rhyming word in front of it.

 

[Revoltingest]

A BBC article quoted Huckabee as saying the ruling is "tyranny."
It gave me an urge to shorten his name to just Huck so I can put a certain rhyming word in front of it.

Apparently "tyranny" is undergoing a redefinition....
Tyranny: Taking away my right to control your life.

 

[Wirey]

It's like watching alcoholics complain when a liquour store opens up in their neighbourhood. Now that gay marriage is available, what's going to stop Chris Christie and Jeb Bush from getting their love thang on? All that flappin' is bound to happen!

 

[Jainarayan]

Here's something that's from way beyond ludicrous. History will remember.

Conservatives React To Gay Marriage Ruling: End Times! God's Wrath! Civil War! | Right Wing Watch

"We're not surprised but extremely disappointed by the Supreme Court's decision. I fear for our country, quite frankly, because this is a spiritual 9/11, I believe. We have said to God Almighty, We don't care what you say about marriage and your definition of what's natural and normal. AFA’s J.J. Jasper warned of human-pet marriage, while Wildmon blamed the ruling on the 1987 defeat of Robert Bork’s Supreme Court nomination, which paved the way for Justice Kennedy’s appointment. “It feels like the beginning of the end,” Jasper said. - See more at: Conservatives React To Gay Marriage Ruling: End Times! God's Wrath! Civil War! | Right Wing Watch

 

[Revoltingest]

It's like watching alcoholics complain when a liquour store opens up in their neighbourhood. Now that gay marriage is available, what's going to stop Chris Christie and Jeb Bush from getting their love thang on? All that flappin' is bound to happen!

Speaking of Jeb....
Exclusive — National Organization for Marriage: Can’t Support Rubio, Jeb After Same-Sex Marriage Cave - Breitbart

....both Rubio and Bush have publicly refused to back a Constitutional marriage amendment, while most of the rest of the GOP field has. Rubio, in his statement after the Supreme Court ruling this week legalizing gay marriage nationwide, called on Republicans to just follow the ruling and give in to gay marriage.
“While I disagree with this decision, we live in a republic and must abide by the law,” Rubio said. “As we look ahead, it must be a priority of the next president to nominate judges and justices committed to applying the Constitution as written and originally understood.”

Bush had essentially the same answer.
“Governor Bush does not believe amending the Constitution is the right course,” Bush’s spokeswoman Kristy Campbell told the Tampa Bay Times. “Right now, we should focus on defending religious liberty by protecting those who act on their conscience and appointing judges who understand the limits placed on them by the Constitution.”

I call it "progulous".....which is "progress" that's "fabulous".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Here's something that's from way beyond ludicrous. History will remember.

Conservatives React To Gay Marriage Ruling: End Times! God's Wrath! Civil War! | Right Wing Watch

I'd be offended by the "spiritual 9/11" remark if I didn't realize that such comments are them digging their own graves, building their own coffins, hammering their own nails, and burring themselves in their own dirt. They even gave us their own epitaph.

 

[Jainarayan]

I'd be offended by the "spiritual 9/11" remark if I didn't realize that such comments are them digging their own graves, building their own coffins, hammering their own nails, and burring themselves in their own dirt. They even gave us their own epitaph.

I wonder how many people who've been affected by 9/11 are already offended. To use 9/11 as an analogy is reprehensible.

 

[columbus]

Yes, I believe that they are.
Whether it is the Spirit of Liberty or Satan's Minions responsible, a growing majority of voters support equality. And in the Information Age, those sound bites will still be available when Hillary Clinton is running for reelection.

One of the big changes this ruling is going to have is the outing of a bunch of people. Ordinary straight folks who didn't know they knew so many boringly pedestrian gays are going to find out. Mainstreaming of queer culture just took lift. By the next presidential election it will be a different electorate.
Tom

 

[Lyndon]

While is see the Supreme court ruling as very positive for the LGBT community, which deserves equal rights, IMHO. I don't see the timing of it as necessarily a net positive for the country, I see it as a definite influence for the Republican party to not only win the Presidency in 2016, but both houses of congress (with a possible no veto power for the democrats), then all hell will break loose politically, it will be like living in a right wing dictatorship. The anti gay marriage Christian vote will be increasingly more Republican, including Christians that used to vote Democrat, and as we well know, even from this forum, a sizable amount of non religious people are conservative and also vote Republican, even if they personally have nothing against gay marriage. Even though more than 50% of Americans support gay marriage, that doesn't mean none of the gay marriage supporters are going to vote Republican for other reasons.

PS if Republican's win the Presidency, we lose the Supreme Court, because no Justices have died or retired under Obama's watch, and almost certainly one or more new justices will come up for appointment under the next president.

 

[leibowde84]

While is see the Supreme court ruling as very positive for the LGBT community, which deserves equal rights, IMHO. I don't see the timing of it as necessarily a net positive for the country, I see it as a definite influence for the Republican party to not only win the Presidency in 2016, but both houses of congress (with a possible no veto power for the democrats), then all hell will break lose politically, it will be like living in a right wing dictatorship. The anti gay marriage Christian vote will be increasingly more Republican, including Christians that used to vote Democrat, and as we well know, even from this forum, a sizable amount of non religious people are conservative and also vote Republican, even if they personally have nothing against gay marriage. Even though more than 50% of Americans support gay marriage, that doesn't mean none of the gay marriage supporters are going to vote Republican for other reasons.

PS if Republican's win the Presidency, we lose the Supreme Court, because no Justices have died or retired under Obama's watch, and almost certainly one or more new justices will come up for appointment under the next president.

The majority of the US is in favor of same-sex marriage, and civil marriage really is not connected to religious beliefs. So, why do you think that the Republicans will win? Have you heard what they have been saying all weekend? Hillary will be able to use everything against them in the national spotlight.

 

[jonathan180iq]

As far as I've read, only Bush and Rubio have managed to save themselves the embarrassment of talking too much right now...
All of the other Republican candidates just sealed their national fate.

 

[Lyndon]

I think you are living in a fantasy world if you think these latest Supreme Court rulings indicate America is moving to the left, both these latest rulings, Obamacare, and Marriage. had nothing to do with a vote of the people and everything to do with Supreme Court Justices opinions who were elected many years ago. National polls are already putting Hillary behind top Republican contenders when one or two years ago she had a strong lead. Of course I don't want it to happen, but I think a Republican landslide is a distinct proposition in 2016, and the gay marriage ruling is just one more ammunition for the extreme right to pull together their supporters. How is the left wing going to use gay marriage to pull supporters away from the right, I don't see that happening.

 

[leibowde84]

I think you are living in a fantasy world if you think these latest Supreme Court rulings indicate America is moving to the left, both these latest rulings, Obamacare, and Marriage. had nothing to do with a vote of the people and everything to do with Supreme Court Justices opinions who were elected many years ago. National polls are already putting Hillary behind top Republican contenders when one or two years ago she had a strong lead. Of course I don't want it to happen, but I think a Republican landslide is a distinct proposition in 2016, and the gay marriage ruling is just one more ammunition for the extreme right to pull together their supporters. How is the left wing going to use gay marriage to pull supporters away from the right, I don't see that happening.

I would have to make the same accusation for you if you can't recognize that the majority of Americans are in favor of same-sex marriage. Here is some evidence ... Clinton is up in every poll right now against every Republican Candidate thus far. RealClearPolitics - 2016 Presidential Race

In regards to the Affordable Care Act, the Republicans haven't come up with any kind of replacement plan, so I fail to see why anyone would be swayed by the SCOTUS decision.