Are the Conservative going to shoot themselves in the foot over same-sex marriage?

[Lyndon]

We don't need to know about your library Revoltingest!! LOL (just kidding)

 

[Jainarayan]

it was the courts that overturned those amendments.

Because they violate those states' constitutions. Legislators and voters do make bad laws. But the courts can't overturn constitutional amendments, to the best of my knowledge.

 

[Revoltingest]

We don't need to know about your library Revoltingest!! LOL (just kidding)

My library would leave you comatose.
Look.....

 

[Lyndon]

I can see you don't need porn!! LOL

 

[Revoltingest]

I can see you don't need porn!! LOL

That's gearhead porn!
Engines disassembled to show their private parts......engines stripped (of paint).....skinny engines, short engines, heavy engines, tall engines, & exotic foreign engines.....knockers (German term for cams) exposed......oh, baby!

 

[Lyndon]

I drive a Volvo, I'm into reliable engines, size doesn't matter to me!!

 

[Revoltingest]

I drive a Volvo, I'm into reliable engines, size doesn't matter to me!!

That's something people with small engines say.

 

[Lyndon]

300,000 small engine miles with no rebuild, never leaks oil or water, runs great, what do I need a big engine for??

 

[Revoltingest]

300,000 small engine miles with no rebuild, never leaks oil or water, runs great, what do I need a big engine for??

Fun!

 

[dust1n]

This thread is strange. It seems to be implying they already haven't.

Right, I was wondering if there was any foot left to hit.

 

[dust1n]

300,000 small engine miles with no rebuild, never leaks oil or water, runs great, what do I need a big engine for??

Wowser, always impressive to hit a 300,000 mark. I'm sometimes impressed by how long cars can go. I drive my car around completely oblivious to how the engine still operates at all.

 

[Revoltingest]

This thread is strange. It seems to be implying they already haven't.

It might benefit Rubio & Bush, who offered lukewarm support for the decision.
This could play out to their advantage with pro-gay marriage types.

 

[dust1n]

That's something people with small engines say.

You know what they say about guys with large shoe brakes? Large snow socks.

 

[Revoltingest]

Wowser, always impressive to hit a 300,000 mark. I'm sometimes impressed by how long cars can go. I drive my car around completely oblivious to how the engine still operates at all.

I bought a used snowplow truck (Ford F350 diesel) a couple years ago.
It already had 300K miles on it, & we've been work'n it hard ever since.

 

[Revoltingest]

You know what they say about guys with large shoe brakes? Large snow socks.

Congrats on finally being able to marry?

 

[Iti oj]

I'll probably vote green party if Sanders does not get the nomination...but I have said this before, even if Sanders get the nomination and loses in the election to the rep, it would still be a victory of sorts. The fact that we would even seriously consider a socialist...

 

[gsa]

It might benefit Rubio & Bush, who offered lukewarm support for the decision.
This could play out to their advantage with pro-gay marriage types.

This is how you can tell the difference between the people who have decided to run an unapologetically right wing campaign in the primary in order to procure votes in IA and SC and mop up the South and Midwest, and those who are keeping their eyes on the need to win a national campaign in socially moderate (or even socially liberal) states. In Florida, opposition to same-sex marriage has been a minority position since 2013 based on state polling, an shows no signs of becoming popular again. In Ohio, that has been the majority (or at least strong plurality) opinion since 2012. In Virginia, since 2013. In Iowa, since last year outside the margin of error, and within it since 2011. The spread between (majority) supporters and (minority) opposition in Colorado is now in the double digits. Same in Nevada. Any Republican candidate must win some of these swing states to win the general election.

Do I think that people will cast votes on this issue alone? Only, perhaps, strident opponents; most people, even supporters, will consider candidates who do not share their views. But based on current polling, it will be considered a negative for a majority of gay rights supporters. Twenty years ago, Jeb Bush opposed any protections on the basis of sexual orientation, because, in his words:

“The public policy question is whether homosexuals deserve special legal protection from otherwise legal, private acts of discrimination, which protections are not available to smokers, drinkers, children, redheads, Midwesterners, Democrats, veterans, nudists, etc.....Or, to put it another way, should sodomy be elevated to the same constitutional status as race and religion? My answer is No. We have enough special categories, enough victims, without creating even more.”

A candidate who made that comment, even 20 years ago, must assure actual moderates that he has changed his views. But to be fair, this is actually a mainstream Republican position, even today. I am not convinced that Bush has actually changed his mind, and I do not see it reflected in any policy positions. Marco Rubio is just as opposed to LGBT civil rights, going so far as to threaten to pull support for his immigration legislation if it extended rights to LGBT Americas in a relationship with a foreign partner.

If I believed that any of them had an actual change of heart, that would be one thing. But I think that they are simply trying to avoid the landmines. They can’t.

 

[Revoltingest]

This is how you can tell the difference between the people who have decided to run an unapologetically right wing campaign in the primary in order to procure votes in IA and SC and mop up the South and Midwest, and those who are keeping their eyes on the need to win a national campaign in socially moderate (or even socially liberal) states. In Florida, opposition to same-sex marriage has been a minority position since 2013 based on state polling, an shows no signs of becoming popular again. In Ohio, that has been the majority (or at least strong plurality) opinion since 2012. In Virginia, since 2013. In Iowa, since last year outside the margin of error, and within it since 2011. The spread between (majority) supporters and (minority) opposition in Colorado is now in the double digits. Same in Nevada. Any Republican candidate must win some of these swing states to win the general election.

Do I think that people will cast votes on this issue alone? Only, perhaps, strident opponents; most people, even supporters, will consider candidates who do not share their views. But based on current polling, it will be considered a negative for a majority of gay rights supporters. Twenty years ago, Jeb Bush opposed any protections on the basis of sexual orientation, because, in his words:

“The public policy question is whether homosexuals deserve special legal protection from otherwise legal, private acts of discrimination, which protections are not available to smokers, drinkers, children, redheads, Midwesterners, Democrats, veterans, nudists, etc.....Or, to put it another way, should sodomy be elevated to the same constitutional status as race and religion? My answer is No. We have enough special categories, enough victims, without creating even more.”

A candidate who made that comment, even 20 years ago, must assure actual moderates that he has changed his views. But to be fair, this is actually a mainstream Republican position, even today. I am not convinced that Bush has actually changed his mind, and I do not see it reflected in any policy positions. Marco Rubio is just as opposed to LGBT civil rights, going so far as to threaten to pull support for his immigration legislation if it extended rights to LGBT Americas in a relationship with a foreign partner.

If I believed that any of them had an actual change of heart, that would be one thing. But I think that they are simply trying to avoid the landmines. They can’t.

I don't know any of them well enuf to know what they really believe.
But beliefs do change over time.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

While is see the Supreme court ruling as very positive for the LGBT community, which deserves equal rights, IMHO. I don't see the timing of it as necessarily a net positive for the country, I see it as a definite influence for the Republican party to not only win the Presidency in 2016, but both houses of congress (with a possible no veto power for the democrats), then all hell will break loose politically, it will be like living in a right wing dictatorship. The anti gay marriage Christian vote will be increasingly more Republican, including Christians that used to vote Democrat, and as we well know, even from this forum, a sizable amount of non religious people are conservative and also vote Republican, even if they personally have nothing against gay marriage. Even though more than 50% of Americans support gay marriage, that doesn't mean none of the gay marriage supporters are going to vote Republican for other reasons.

PS if Republican's win the Presidency, we lose the Supreme Court, because no Justices have died or retired under Obama's watch, and almost certainly one or more new justices will come up for appointment under the next president.

I really don't see the Republican presidential candidate being able to win. They pander so hard to the far-right religious conservatives, a.k.a. a dying breed, that it's really going to bite them in the ***. They won't be able to win minority votes, as usual, they won't be able to win the youth vote with their anti-gay attitudes, and with most of the economic recovery going straight to the top they are going to lose a ton of voters that would normally vote for their pro-business stances.
But, of course we all know it will come down to Ohio, and maybe another swing state or two like it always does.

 

[columbus]

It gave me an urge to shorten his name to just Huck so I can put a certain rhyming word in front of it.

@Revoltingest
The limerick king


A f*ckable h*ckable Finn
went up to the courthouse wherein
He found that in Dallas
he can't marry phallus
Especially black ones like Jim.

I checked. I don't have that many infractions at the moment. I don't expect to be banned.
So, what do you think Rev? Will I ever be as good as you are?

Tom