Are the Gods Too Indifferent to Us to Care Whether We Believe in Them?

[InChrist]

Yep, that's exactly my experience.

I suppose anyone can believe in anything their imagination prefers to call god(s) and find some personal satisfaction because then the control of such deities is always really in the person's mind and power. Yet, rather than delude myself I prefer to know the real power, source, and Creator of life, heaven and earth.

 

[Jainarayan]

I prefer to know the real power, source, and Creator of life, heaven and earth.

Me too.

 

[InChrist]

I was giving you a chance to give me some reason not to simply disregard what you say.

Well, I can't very well tell you why God doesn't want everyone to believe in Him when clearly from the scriptures He has stated that He desires everyone to believe in Him.
You are certainly free to disregard what I say and I'm sure you will if you desire to disregard God in your life.

 

[InChrist]

That's just it. You can't really force someone to believe something that they don't believe. It's not that I reject God, I just simply can't believe. I'm not sure what else to say.

No need to say anything else. I'm certainly not here to force anything, just enjoying conversation and my perspective is that one's spiritual beliefs, whether belief or unbelief, are ultimately only between themselves and God.

 

[InChrist]

Me too.

Well, that's encouraging.

 

[LuisDantas]

Well, I can't very well tell you why God doesn't want everyone to believe in Him when clearly from the scriptures He has stated that He desires everyone to believe in Him.

That may be clear, but it lacks credibility, and is a circular argument.

You are certainly free to disregard what I say and I'm sure you will if you desire to disregard God in your life.

I will, and you might see that as the reason if you want. But it is more out of a desire to avoid needless and pointless superstition really

 

[dust1n]

Are there any rational grounds for supposing that an actual deity would care whether or not a person believed in it?

I'm too indifferent to care whether the Gods are too indifferent or not regarding my lack of belief in them.

Does that count?

 

[InChrist]

That may be clear, but it lacks credibility, and is a circular argument.

I can understand that it may lack credibility from your perspective, yet if God has expressed His perspective in the scriptures as communication to humanity then it is not circular reasoning, nor lacking in credibility and that is my perspective. If you feel that considering that perspective is needless and pointless then that is your prerogative which I respect.

 

[LuisDantas]

I can understand that it may lack credibility from your perspective, yet if God has expressed His perspective in the scriptures as communication to humanity then it is not circular reasoning, nor lacking in credibility

It entirely is circular reasoning, until and unless a way out of that circle is offered. Such has not been the case.

and that is my perspective. If you feel that considering that perspective is needless and pointless then that is your prerogative which I respect.

Fair enough.

 

[InChrist]

It entirely is circular reasoning, until and unless a way out of that circle is offered. Such has not been the case.

I have offered a way out and that way out is God Himself. He and He alone can verify His existence and the validity of His Word to you. It's not my job or within my ability to do so, but if you really care to understand or verify that such reasoning is not circular you may take it up with Him personally, sincerely and He will respond. Possibly in a way that's not expected by you, but which will certainly meet and surpass your need for knowing and satisfy you with reasons to believe..

 

[LuisDantas]

I have offered a way out and that way out is God Himself. He and He alone can verify His existence and the validity of His Word to you.

If you say so. No reason for me to worry then, it would seem.

It's not my job or within my ability to do so, but if you really care to understand or verify that such reasoning is not circular you may take it up with Him personally, sincerely and He will respond.

Actually, I don't care for the argument itself. Sorry if I made it appear that way. It was not intentional, I assure you.

I am far more interested in understanding how come you think that might be true, and why you see a circular argument as at all convincing.

Possibly in a way that's not expected by you, but which will certainly meet and surpass your need for knowing and satisfy you with reasons to believe..

Considering that I have no need for knowing, the first part is certain to be fulfilled. The second is far more doubtful, but not important.

 

[JustWondering]

Generally, at least on Earth, the only creatures that demonstrate care for others are ones that have evolved to either raise young or live in group settings.

If caring is an adaptation - and I think it is - then we should not expect it in any being that didn't undergo some sort of pressure to need to care.

If you want an earthly example of an intelligent being that lives a solitary existence, look at the octopus. I would expect that an extraterrestrial inteligent being would be no more caring than an octopus, and less relatable to us.

The idea that God cares about us in a social way is an anthropomorphism. Social creatures have social gods.

 

[Whiterain]

I am working on delusional Schizophrenia, but this is what I have;

The Gods seem powerful, more powerful than Man but sympathies with at the level of Man.

The Gods seem to hold a similar gumption that Man has; Why aren't you curing it, or, there are dozens of organizations working at it. Yet numerous parties of people are still complaining at the inequities of Mans operations. Their sympathies are with same ideas you and I hold towards hunger and economic crisis, the eon old argument. Their views to seem quite archaic and not new.

In my experience it boils down to pro-active action on such issues - Why can't Man. Man is doing what they can and God's sympathize at that level and are irrelevant - 2015.

It's a familiar story to me and dozens of operations are at work, dozens of companies working to resolve these issues. We still eat at one another over these issues and we should not. The proper organizations are in order, what they need is going to be in constant need. Listen to them, there is no need to beckon the Gods. If these organizations aren't working it's up the higher powers to recollect them and figure something else out. We have teams of professionals suffering to make differences and the general stand point is it is not working.


Regarding religion: The current state of their belief seems to be at their will... I don't want to argue. Everything seems based at their preference, although they sympathies at human levels.

 

[Amadon]

That's just it. You can't really force someone to believe something that they don't believe. It's not that I reject God, I just simply can't believe. I'm not sure what else to say.

The Lucifer rebellion took place two hundred thousand years ago, at that time our universe communications circuits were severed and our world has been in isolation ever since and will remain so until the adjudication has been completed. Because of this we have not been given very much information about God and he very well understands. After we get to the first mansion worlds we will have all the information we can comprehend and there will never be any judgment until we have had the time and information to make a good decision for ourselves. God Loves you as if you were his only child

 

[Professional]

What are you on? Are you trolling me?

 

[Whiterain]

The Lucifer rebellion took place two hundred thousand years ago, at that time our universe communications circuits were severed and our world has been in isolation ever since and will remain so until the adjudication has been completed. Because of this we have not been given very much information about God and he very well understands. After we get to the first mansion worlds we will have all the information we can comprehend and there will never be any judgment until we have had the time and information to make a good decision for ourselves. God Loves you as if you were his only child

This is good stuff.

 

[Robert Landbeck]

All of our perceptions of God or gods have been shaped by existing or past religious traditions together with copious amounts of vain imagination. Yet the fact that religions exist making 'truth' claims does not mean they have anything to do with the potential 'reality' their self ordained priesthood suggests. One easily forgets just how many warning there are against false teaching and interpretation, self deception and deceivers. And within the Christian Judeo scriptural record, canonical and non, there are several hundred.

With history providing no way or means to know what is truly and what is not of God there are no grounds at all to know if the 'deity' gives a damn about the human condition. And faith that looks like fate provides no answers.

"As for myself" I see the whole of history as a divine set up. Looking at the trajectory of our species, and reflecting the current move by the Concerned Scientists Org, moving the doomsday clock to two minutes to midnight, it must becoming clear that humanity faces problems far outside the scope or potential of natural reason to resolve that threaten the whole of our species. We remain fixed in moral/ethical limitations. A corruption of understanding that ties down our spiritual aspirations like a tethered dove. And as we come closer to that proverbial place between a rock and a hard spot, when the arrogance and vanity of reason has no place else to go, that may be the time the 'Diety' chooses to reveal itself once again with a judgement on just how far reasoned ignorance can carry the step of man in the absence of demonstrable truth and proof. And that time must be getting close!

 

[Maya3]

No, it has nothing to do with it.
It is like asking oxygen if it cares if we know that we are breathing or not.
We were breathing millions of years ago, but we didn´t have the capability to explain how. Still we did it.

Maya