Are the modern Bible translations reliable?

[Shermana]

"At the beginning of time, God created Jesus, and he was the Heavens and the Earth"

I completely agree with this Theological aspect, but how do you possibly derive this rendering?

 

[Sculelos]

I completely agree with this Theological aspect, but how do you possibly derive this rendering?

The name Jesus is a very short version

It's has to do with the Fact the Jesus is built like

בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת

--J-----E------S-----------U---------S

So his name is actually built into this sequence. The part I left out is הָאָרֶץ. א and that mean's and he was the Heavens and the Earth.

It's a pretty confusing system to be honest, however it is there. However scoffers still gonna scoff no matter what.

 

[Shermana]

The name Jesus is a very short version

It's has to do with the Fact the Jesus is built like

בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת

--J-----E------S-----------U---------S

So his name is actually built into this sequence. The part I left out is הָאָרֶץ. א and that mean's and he was the Heavens and the Earth.

It's a pretty confusing system to be honest, however it is there. However scoffers still gonna scoff no matter what.

Why don't you try explaining why his name is "built into this sequence" rather than tell us how "Confusing" this system is. You can't really scoff at people scoffing when you don't explain how you derive this conclusion. Why don't you explain how you determine to start the name with the letter Yod for example, because after all you're no doubt aware that Jesus's name in Hebrew would start with a Yod.

And what is "Jesus" a "Short version" of exactly? Do you know what "Jesus" means in the Hebrew? Do you even know what Jesus translates to in the Hebrew? Is it Yehoshua? Yeshu? Yahshua? Yeshua?

 

[Pegg]

The name Jesus is a very short version

It's has to do with the Fact the Jesus is built like

בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת

--J-----E------S-----------U---------S

So his name is actually built into this sequence. The part I left out is הָאָרֶץ. א and that mean's and he was the Heavens and the Earth.

It's a pretty confusing system to be honest, however it is there. However scoffers still gonna scoff no matter what.

i want to know how you managed to get an english name from a hebrew text?

There is no J in the hebrew alphabet. It should be Y.

 

[Sculelos]

Why don't you try explaining why his name is "built into this sequence" rather than tell us how "Confusing" this system is. You can't really scoff at people scoffing when you don't explain how you derive this conclusion. Why don't you explain how you determine to start the name with the letter Yod for example, because after all you're no doubt aware that Jesus's name in Hebrew would start with a Yod.

And what is "Jesus" a "Short version" of exactly? Do you know what "Jesus" means in the Hebrew? Do you even know what Jesus translates to in the Hebrew? Is it Yehoshua? Yeshu? Yahshua? Yeshua?

אבָּאֱםוְ

It's an electrical signature. Jesus means exactly "The great connection of divided energy that is 6 sides times 6 sides"

This mean Jesus makes up 46'656 combinations in physical reality by himself alone and the remaining 18'880 combinations are from God. Together they make 65'536 combinations.

 

[Shermana]

אבָּאֱםוְ

It's an electrical signature. Jesus means exactly "The great connection of divided energy that is 6 sides times 6 sides"

This mean Jesus makes up 46'656 combinations in physical reality by himself alone and the remaining 18'880 combinations are from God. Together they make 65'536 combinations.

Wow. Ummm. Okay. Would you like to bother to explain how you derive your conclusions on what I specifically asked and how that relates to it?

 

[Gjallarhorn]

opcorn:

 

[Sculelos]

Wow. Ummm. Okay. Would you like to bother to explain how you derive your conclusions on what I specifically asked and how that relates to it?

I have no idea how the machine really works. I know it works. And it seems to work well in interpreting these things based on simple interpolation Interpolation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Yet I don't personally understand it. So while I may be able to tell you what the machine say's I don't own what is say's nor do I even understand why it say's what it does. The machine speaks to me but I don't understand what it say's. If that makes sense. I'm basically just interpreting that which I do not understand even in the slightest.

 

[Shermana]

I have no idea how the machine really works. I know it works. And it seems to work well in interpreting these things based on simple interpolation Interpolation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Yet I don't personally understand it. So while I may be able to tell you what the machine say's I don't own what is say's nor do I even understand why it say's what it does. The machine speaks to me but I don't understand what it say's. If that makes sense. I'm basically just interpreting that which I do not understand even in the slightest.

Oh now it's a machine that speaks to you. I see.



At the very least you understand that "Jesus" (the logos) was the First creation of God and that this was the entire encompassing of the Universe and all Creation, the means of which all things were made through. I am interested how you came to that conclusion nonetheless, was it the machine?

 

[Sculelos]

Oh now it's a machine that speaks to you. I see.

At the very least you understand that "Jesus" (the logos) was the First creation of God and that this was the entire encompassing of the Universe and all Creation, the means of which all things were made through. I am interested how you came to that conclusion nonetheless, was it the machine?

Indeed. The machine tells me that the 'the logos' is the spreading of energy from God into it giving it, it's strength.

The 'The Logos' is indeed all of the Heavens and the Earth and there is nothing outside existence separate from the logos except that which gave the logos it's power which is God.

However make no mistake, the Logos is doing and has always done the will of the Lord and is the Lord. After God's will is complete even the Logos will give all power and authority back to God so that they can be complete in Each other. God gave power to the Logo's to complete himself, and yet the Logo's has to remain separate from God until all Sin is placed before his feet.

The machine has spoken. Hopefully my translation pleases God.

 

[sojourner]

I'm basically just interpreting that which I do not understand even in the slightest.

Wha...?

"Interpretation" is, by definition, understanding.

 

[Shia Islam]

Hey everyone. Would you say that the modern translations of the Bible are reliable or unreliable? Please debate and discuss but also vote in the poll!

Strictlly speaking, there is no reliable translation...
A word in one language has no equal in another language.
Similarly, an expression in one language has no equivalence in another...

That's is why prominent priests refer to the older versions in other language in their effort to try to find the accurate meaning that the translations have missed.

Excuse me to add, that in Islam, the Quran, is the Arabic Quran. The translations are not the Quran.

 

[Shermana]

Indeed. The machine tells me that the 'the logos' is the spreading of energy from God into it giving it, it's strength.

The 'The Logos' is indeed all of the Heavens and the Earth and there is nothing outside existence separate from the logos except that which gave the logos it's power which is God.

However make no mistake, the Logos is doing and has always done the will of the Lord and is the Lord. After God's will is complete even the Logos will give all power and authority back to God so that they can be complete in Each other. God gave power to the Logo's to complete himself, and yet the Logo's has to remain separate from God until all Sin is placed before his feet.

The machine has spoken. Hopefully my translation pleases God.

I am intrigued nonetheless that your "Machine" has managed to "tell you" pretty much exactly what I believe regarding this. Have you read Philo before? What does your machine have to say about the early Jewish Gnostics?

 

[Sculelos]

I am intrigued nonetheless that your "Machine" has managed to "tell you" pretty much exactly what I believe regarding this. Have you read Philo before? What does your machine have to say about the early Jewish Gnostics?

What is Philo?

As for Jewish Gnostics the machine say's they were Jewish truth seekers who were often hated and killed by their contemporary's with most of their work destroyed or currupted, we will never really know what the early gnostic's said.

 

[Shermana]

What is Philo?

As for Jewish Gnostics the machine say's they were Jewish truth seekers who were often hated and killed by their contemporary's with most of their work destroyed or currupted, we will never really know what the early gnostic's said.

This is getting interesting. Can you now ask the machine why James the Just was called "Jacob the Gnostic" in the Talmud?

 

[Sculelos]

This is getting interesting. Can you now ask the machine why James the Just was called "Jacob the Gnostic" in the Talmud?

The machine say's James brother was Jude and he said this in Jude 1:14 "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints"

This was enough reason for them to hate Jude and James being his brother. As Enoch was one of their holy books at the time but yet many of them purged it after the New Testament authors mentioned it.

Yet also "Jacob the Gnostic" is a derogatory name that means he was a great spreader of internal conflict within the Jewish community and thus caused the Orthodox Jewish Christians to separate themselves from the standard Jews and their laws. This created much strife due to the words of James which was this. (From James chapter 1)

My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment; And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool: Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts? Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats? Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called? If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment. What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

 

[Shermana]

Does the machine acknowledge that James and Jesus taught full adherence to the Mosaic Law as far as it remains applicable? (Not counting the artificial Pharisee rulings).

 

[Sculelos]

Does the machine acknowledge that James and Jesus taught full adherence to the Mosaic Law as far as it remains applicable? (Not counting the artificial Pharisee rulings).

The Machine says that James and both Jesus did indeed teach that the Mosaic Law remains profitable and good for doctrine and is a Good thing to follow whenever possible in everyday life and that indeed we should keep all of God's laws whenever possible however saying that it also say's we are not forgiven of our sins by keeping the law if we don't keep any single small part we are guilty of breaking it all therefore we simply must try to keep it all but yet not judge ourselves nor others harshly for breaking laws for our righteousness is nothing but dirty rags to God indeed. However saying that we should still try to keep the law and try to help others and we really should try to serve God in both obedience by keeping the law, yet avoid self-righteousness and remain humble and willing to help people who are ignorant. God does not want us to only surround us with the rich and knowledgeable but he also wants us to help the weak and ignorant and just because he has poured out gifts of knowledge to some of us, that doesn't make us any more justified in his eyes then a simple man who walks and acts simply out of faith in God.

The machine has spoken, may my interpretation please God.

 

[Shermana]

The Machine says that James and both Jesus did indeed teach that the Mosaic Law remains profitable and good for doctrine and is a Good thing to follow whenever possible in everyday life and that indeed we should keep all of God's laws whenever possible however saying that it also say's we are not forgiven of our sins by keeping the law if we don't keep any single small part we are guilty of breaking it all therefore we simply must try to keep it all but yet not judge ourselves nor others harshly for breaking laws for our righteousness is nothing but dirty rags to God indeed. However saying that we should still try to keep the law and try to help others and we really should try to serve God in both obedience by keeping the law, yet avoid self-righteousness and remain humble and willing to help people who are ignorant. God does not want us to only surround us with the rich and knowledgeable but he also wants us to help the weak and ignorant and just because he has poured out gifts of knowledge to some of us, that doesn't make us any more justified in his eyes then a simple man who walks and acts simply out of faith in God.

The machine has spoken, may my interpretation please God.

Tell the machine I said it has an incorrect understanding of Isaiah 64.

 

[Sculelos]

Tell the machine I said it has an incorrect understanding of Isaiah 64.

What's incorrect about it?