Are the religious people's beliefs of the soul - wrong?

[gnostic]

Both Christianity and Islam teach how a soul can be judged after death, and either go to afterlife of eternal peace or torment.

If the soul comes ultimately from God, then how could a soul be tainted by one's own belief, or emotion, behaviour or decision, or one's own action?

Shouldn't a soul be incorruptible?

If the soul belonged to God, then how could a soul be judged and (if a person is bad in his lifetime) go to hell?

The belief of Christians and Muslims that a soul could be affected by person's action seemed contradictory of what a soul is.

 

[jamesmorrow]

Both Christianity and Islam teach how a soul can be judged after death, and either go to afterlife of eternal peace or torment.

If the soul comes ultimately from God, then how could a soul be tainted by one's own belief, or emotion, behaviour or decision, or one's own action?

Shouldn't a soul be incorruptible?

If the soul belonged to God, then how could a soul be judged and (if a person is bad in his lifetime) go to hell?

The belief of Christians and Muslims that a soul could be affected by person's action seemed contradictory of what a soul is.

i think you are confusing soul with spirit...... all living things have souls, only humans have spirit.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

i think you are confusing soul with spirit...... all living things have souls, only humans have spirit.

I do not believe that we have souls "and" spirits.There is no distinction.
I agree with gnostic that the soul is of God, and therefore incorruptible.

What ever sin we "accumulate" during this life, even memory of that sin, can not return to God. Our souls are wiped clean and return sinless... this is the process we call "judgement".

 

[fishy]

The arrogance of those people who believe that a god created this incredible universe just for humans and then only the select group that they belong to are going to live forever is mind boggling. 13.8 billion years in order to conduct a 6000 year experiment, that an omnipotent god would already know the result of, is HUBRIS of a proportion greater than the size of the universe.
These people mean to say.............MAN IS GREAT

 

[rusra02]

i think you are confusing soul with spirit...... all living things have souls, only humans have spirit.

"For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an evenuality as respects the beast, and they have the same evenuality. As the one dies, so the other dies, and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast." (Ecclesiastes 3:19)

 

[rusra02]

Both Christianity and Islam teach how a soul can be judged after death, and either go to afterlife of eternal peace or torment.

If the soul comes ultimately from God, then how could a soul be tainted by one's own belief, or emotion, behaviour or decision, or one's own action?

Shouldn't a soul be incorruptible?

If the soul belonged to God, then how could a soul be judged and (if a person is bad in his lifetime) go to hell?

The belief of Christians and Muslims that a soul could be affected by person's action seemed contradictory of what a soul is.

True Christianity does not teach that man has an immortal soul that suffers torment or enjoys bliss after death. The Bible teaches death is the penalty for sin and that the soul that sins will die. (Ezekiel 18:4,20)

 

[fishy]

True Christianity does not teach that man has an immortal soul that suffers torment or enjoys bliss after death. The Bible teaches death is the penalty for sin and that the soul that sins will die. (Ezekiel 18:4,20)

If the soul is a part of god, how can it sin...............as others have said.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

True Christianity does not teach that man has an immortal soul that suffers torment or enjoys bliss after death. The Bible teaches death is the penalty for sin and that the soul that sins will die. (Ezekiel 18:4,20)

Do not mix up Jewish belief with Christian Beliefs. Ezekiel had no concept of Christianity, and had a Jewish concept of God and the afterlife..

 

[Storm]

I'm pretty sure we're all wrong.... We're children groping in the dark.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I'm pretty sure we're all wrong.... We're children groping in the dark.

We certaily are groping about when it comes to the concept of a soul.
we have no evidence that they even exist.

It comes at the end of a chain of "Ifs"
Starting with God
and ending with his connection to man.....

 

[james2ko]

Shouldn't a soul be incorruptible?

Its not:

Mat 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
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Both Christianity and Islam teach how a soul can be judged after death, and either go to afterlife of eternal peace or torment.

If the soul comes ultimately from God, then how could a soul be tainted by one's own belief, or emotion, behaviour or decision, or one's own action?

If the soul belonged to God, then how could a soul be judged and (if a person is bad in his lifetime) go to hell?

The belief of Christians and Muslims that a soul could be affected by person's action seemed contradictory of what a soul is.

We should define what a soul or "spirit" is before arriving at any conclusions. Our spirit and body operate interdependently. One has no coherency without the other. It can loosely be compared to software (spirit) and hardware (body). At death, God removes the software and stores it in heaven (Ecc 12:7). He will reinstall it with "new" hardware at one of the resurrections. Those in the 2nd resurrection will receive a new physical body and get an opportunity to accept or reject Christ. Accept and exchange the physical body for an immortal one. Reject Him and both body and spirit will be destroyed in the lake of fire. Just like Mat 10:28 states.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Its not:

Mat 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
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We should define what a soul or "spirit" is before arriving at any conclusions. Our spirit and body operate interdependently. One has no coherency without the other. It can loosely be compared to software (spirit) and hardware (body). At death, God removes the software and stores it in heaven (Ecc 12:7). He will reinstall it with "new" hardware at one of the resurrections. Those in the 2nd resurrection will receive a new physical body and get an opportunity to accept or reject Christ. Accept and exchange the physical body for an immortal one. Reject Him and both body and spirit will be destroyed in the lake of fire. Just like Mat 10:28 states.

The JW's say the Soul is the (spirit + body.)
Others believe that the Soul is independant of us, and is God's life spark with in is.
Still others see the Soul as our innermost self, including our Ego and the spirit as the connection to God.

I see our Soul as of God, that gives us life and through which he can experience our world.
The only spirit involved is the Holy spirit... this is not part of us at all, but is sent from God to comfort and guide us when we call upon him.

We could equally conjecture that God, who is not limited by time or space, connects with all life in the universe directly. and that it is this contact that we call Soul.

What ever soul may be, it is in God's control, not ours, and must be incorruptible.
God's compassion is universal, and whatever we might do/believe or may have done in life will be forgiven when we repent. and our soul will be restored to God.

There will not be a physical resurrection, that is no more than wishful thinking by those that thought a continuation of the Ego was necessarily in physical form. It might not continue separate from God at all.

 

[connermt]

The arrogance of those people who believe that a god created this incredible universe just for humans and then only the select group that they belong to are going to live forever is mind boggling. 13.8 billion years in order to conduct a 6000 year experiment, that an omnipotent god would already know the result of, is HUBRIS of a proportion greater than the size of the universe.
These people mean to say.............MAN IS GREAT

Bravo :bow:
I like you

 

[rusra02]

If the soul is a part of god, how can it sin...............as others have said.

The soul is not a part of God. God created human and animal souls to live on earth. (Genesis 1:24 and 2:7)

 

[jamesmorrow]

Well, if all animals have spirit. Where does that leave the holy spirit which i thought was reserved for humans to experienced only...... i thought soul only meant life. While spirit refers to the spiritual part only humans are supposed to have. Hence the holy spirit/ghost. Not the holy soul.

 

[rusra02]

Do not mix up Jewish belief with Christian Beliefs. Ezekiel had no concept of Christianity, and had a Jewish concept of God and the afterlife..

The Hebrew Scripture's teaching about the soul does not differ from the Christian Scripture's teaching. (John 12:27, Acts 2:43) Jesus said the soul can be destroyed. (Matthew 10:28) "All scripture ["old testament" and "new testament"]is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching..setting things straight." (2 Timothy 3:16,17)

 

[Father Heathen]

Until we can get specimen down to the lab, all thoughts regarding the soul are unfounded presumptions and empty speculation.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

The soul is not a part of God. God created human and animal souls to live on earth. (Genesis 1:24 and 2:7)

Genesis is not a very reliable guide to anything except perhaps Jewish mythology.

All Life throughout the universe have souls.
The Holy spirit ( holy Ghost) is named as part of the Trinity. It is not part of us at all.

If it helps you, I am happy to use "Soul and Spirit" interchangeably.
Though I prefer not to, as spirit can be confused with the Holy Spirit and often is.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

The Hebrew Scripture's teaching about the soul does not differ from the Christian Scripture's teaching. (John 12:27, Acts 2:43) Jesus said the soul can be destroyed. (Matthew 10:28) "All scripture ["old testament" and "new testament"]is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching..setting things straight." (2 Timothy 3:16,17)

As I understand it, and I am sure a Jew will correct me if I am all wrong. The Jews believe that God (the soul) is hidden with in him. yearning to help. Of course as in all spiritual things Jewish, they have a far deeper and complex understanding of "God with in" that include the spark of the Messiah with in their soul..
Christian interpretations of the scriptures are always at a far more superficial level and often wrong.
I am sure that the Jews have always understood, How God works through man to achieve his aims. we must simply let him out. This is not a usual Christian concept, or perhaps one that has become lost.

 

[Jainarayan]

Both Christianity and Islam teach how a soul can be judged after death, and either go to afterlife of eternal peace or torment.

If the soul comes ultimately from God, then how could a soul be tainted by one's own belief, or emotion, behaviour or decision, or one's own action?

Shouldn't a soul be incorruptible?

If the soul belonged to God, then how could a soul be judged and (if a person is bad in his lifetime) go to hell?

The belief of Christians and Muslims that a soul could be affected by person's action seemed contradictory of what a soul is.

Some sects of Hinduism believe that the soul (soul is used loosely, because it's really a different concept in Hinduism) is to God what a ray of sunshine is to the sun, or what a wave is to the ocean. The ray of sunshine or wave emanates from the sun or the ocean. However, the sunshine or wave doesn't separate from the sun or the ocean the way the soul separates from God for experiences "on Earth". This is the nature of creation. It's really inconceivable to the human mind.

No soul is "good" or "bad", nor is it punished or rewarded in the Abrahamic sense. By the deeds the soul performs it can realize itself, know that it is part of God, not the material world and will eventually return to God (moksha, liberation from the cycle of birth and re-birth), or it will be re-born hundreds, millions, billions of times or for all eternity until it "gets it right".