Are theists more violent than atheists?

[PruePhillip]

Proof? None of it came from your imaginary God.

This 'imaginary' God told Jacob (in Egypt) that there would be a Hebrew nation
that would end when the Messiah came. That's an amazing bit of imagination -
I worked it out once as being a one in a trillion chance of happening. And I still
have the figures if you are interested.
And Daniel said the nation that destroys the Temple and Israel will also kill the
Messiah (but He will die for his people.) That's amazing bit of imagination too -
600 years before Rome destroyed Jerusalem.

 

[Audie]

Is that a question? Of course someone is going to muddy the waters of this admonition
with definitions, circumstances and politics - but the general thrust is good: don't take
what is not yours.

What has replaced religion? Politics. Our morality is politicized and so any political aim
can be converted into some moral issue - that's where 'liberation theology" comes from.

So "absolute " morality is a general thrust.

Not absolute at all, is it?

 

[PruePhillip]

So "absolute " morality is a general thrust.

Not absolute at all, is it?

It's absolute - but I mean that someone is going to play tricks with the
technicalities of the moral issue, for sure. Maybe you will?

 

[Audie]

This 'imaginary' God told Jacob (in Egypt) that there would be a Hebrew nation
that would end when the Messiah came. That's an amazing bit of imagination -
I worked it out once as being a one in a trillion chance of happening. And I still
have the figures if you are interested.
And Daniel said the nation that destroys the Temple and Israel will also kill the
Messiah (but He will die for his people.) That's amazing bit of imagination too -
600 years before Rome destroyed Jerusalem.

Especialoy amazing since that is not even when it happened.

And the "messiah" bit is a fabrication not accepted by the jews themselves.

You believe that silly Noah's ark story, too.

 

[Audie]

It's absolute - but I mean that someone is going to play tricks with the
technicalities of the moral issue, for sure. Maybe you will?

Let's stay on topic, shall we?

So you would absolutely not steal anything from anyone under any circumstance?

If there is one (1) exception, it is not absolute.

 

[Audie]

Anyone else want to play?
Tell me about their general thrust
"Absolute" morals?

 

[loverofhumanity]

Proof? None of it came from your imaginary God.

Prove my God is imaginary. Evidence please not rhetoric.

 

[PruePhillip]

Let's stay on topic, shall we?

So you would absolutely not steal anything from anyone under any circumstance?

If there is one (1) exception, it is not absolute.

And what would be your exception to not stealing?

 

[Audie]

Prove my God is imaginary. Evidence please not rhetoric.

Nobody can prove that, though many of your beliefs may be in things that can be shown to be fantasy.

Other than that, " god" is very similar to Nessie, in that zero data existed to indicate it exists.

 

[Audie]

And what would be your exception to not stealing?

Let's see.. test your limits with hypotheticals
Would you steal medicine if there were no other way to save your mother's life?

 

[PruePhillip]

Let's see.. test your limits with hypotheticals
Would you steal medicine if there were no other way to save your mother's life?

If you did then you go down the slippery slope
ie stealing for a hungry child
and then stealing because the guy who owned that car can afford another car.

And would you kill a serial killer?
and then kill in self defense?
and then kill for honor and to help starving children

So no, stealing medicine is wrong, regardless of the recipient of that medicine,
otherwise we could ransack the pharmas and drug stores - and tomorrow no-one
makes medicine anymore.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Nobody can prove that, though many of your beliefs may be in things that can be shown to be fantasy.

Other than that, " god" is very similar to Nessie, in that zero data existed to indicate it exists.

The only beliefs that are of any real use are those that are put into practice and benefit humankind. Otherwise, as you say, beliefs can just be fantasy.

 

[PruePhillip]

Nobody can prove that, though many of your beliefs may be in things that can be shown to be fantasy.

Other than that, " god" is very similar to Nessie, in that zero data existed to indicate it exists.

Actually, a nessie DID exist in Loch Ness. It was found there were two bodies of water in the loch,
a deeper cold one and an upper warm body. And underwater waves created the effects seen by
many reputable people. They figured this out because there was another 'loch' in Africa with
similar legends about it.
I worked with a guy called Valentich. His brother was taken by UFO in 1978. The tapes of that
incident were returned to him by NASA with the words, "We have no natural explanation for what
happened to your brother."
So reality is stranger than fiction. You are living in such a time with the return of the Jews to Israel.

 

[Audie]

If you did then you go down the slippery slope
ie stealing for a hungry child
and then stealing because the guy who owned that car can afford another car.

And would you kill a serial killer?
and then kill in self defense?
and then kill for honor and to help starving children

So no, stealing medicine is wrong, regardless of the recipient of that medicine,
otherwise we could ransack the pharmas and drug stores - and tomorrow no-one
makes medicine anymore.

The slippery slope argument is lame as a
two legged poodle.

So, you are so concerned with YOUR
relationship with a" god" ( who forgives )
you won't save your mother.

Cool.

If all you needed was a penny, and you
could of it back in ten minutes, then would yiu steal the penny?

Or watch your mother die in slow hideous agony.

 

[Audie]

The only beliefs that are of any real use are those that are put into practice and benefit humankind. Otherwise, as you say, beliefs can just be fantasy.

And if you act bs beliefs like that atheists are evil and should be hung from lamp poles?

 

[Audie]

Actually, a nessie DID exist in Loch Ness. It was found there were two bodies of water in the loch,
a deeper cold one and an upper warm body. And underwater waves created the effects seen by
many reputable people. They figured this out because there was another 'loch' in Africa with
similar legends about it.
I worked with a guy called Valentich. His brother was taken by UFO in 1978. The tapes of that
incident were returned to him by NASA with the words, "We have no natural explanation for what
happened to your brother."
So reality is stranger than fiction. You are living in such a time with the return of the Jews to Israel.

Weird. A real live nesdie - believer.

Much is explained by this revelation.

Howabout-

Chupacabrs, Batboy, Bermuda triangle,
the B17 bomber on the moon?

 

[loverofhumanity]

And if you act bs beliefs like that atheists are evil and should be hung from lamp poles?

I believe that all are human, atheist or not, and should be treated with dignity and respect. Atheists are good people not evil.

 

[PruePhillip]

Weird. A real live nesdie - believer.

Much is explained by this revelation.

Howabout-

Chupacabrs, Batboy, Bermuda triangle,
the B17 bomber on the moon?

No, not a Nessie as in an animal but a 'Nessie effect'
There WAS 'something' in the loch - it was something
new to science.
I am fine with the story of Valentich because as NASA
said, there's no natural explanation.

 

[PruePhillip]

The slippery slope argument is lame as a
two legged poodle.

So, you are so concerned with YOUR
relationship with a" god" ( who forgives )
you won't save your mother.

Cool.

If all you needed was a penny, and you
could of it back in ten minutes, then would yiu steal the penny?

Or watch your mother die in slow hideous agony.

There are many poor people who find the idea of being a thief
'because' you are poor quite offensive.

 

[Audie]

There are many poor people who find the idea of being a thief
'because' you are poor quite offensive.

No doubt, but would you steal a penny as described, or not?
This is like three times I asked.