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Are there any contradictions in the Bible?
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sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Mostly NRSV, sometimes SV, sometimes ESV.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Right. Again: it's a reading convenience. It's sort of universally understood in the scholastic community that LORD = YHWH.
What's interesting about the term "Hallelujah" in Revelation??
we-live-now
Active Member
Hi friends,
I am sorry I have been offline. I am being taken into a very deep topic that I just posted.
What if I told you that I am finding hundreds if not thousands of contradictions in the Bible, yet I am convinced that the scriptures are 100% truth with absolutely no errors? (That because of a single, HIGHER truth all these "contradictions" completely FADE AWAY and actually INCREASE my faith in God and his Word while at the same time retaining rational reasoning?)
Is that even possible?
Can their actually exist a HIGHER truth that totally cancels out and changes our mind about what we think is "real" and "true"?
What if I could offer you a perfectly logical reason for all the contradictions? Would you accept it or reject it?
This is a strange phenomena. You may actually "understand it" logically (with your natural human mind via "reason and logic"), but you may still NOT believe it in your heart. I see this happen all the time, even in myself.
Anyone interested in hearing how there are so many contradictions in scripture yet at the same time be 100% truth?
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Nada
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we-live-now
Active Member
No I investigate to the best of my abilities.
Truth about God, Jesus, are important to me thus I try my best to verify or dispute what I learn from anyone about religion, dogma & doctrine.
No one is perfect, I do the best I can.
Frankly I don't want JW's to be right but I can't find enough to dispute overall claims to the truth.
It can't be a cake walk to be a JW and discard many ideologies set forth by Christendom.
Many people don't like JW's, many are (in America) are downright hostile to them.
In other countries they are harrassed, arrested, even executed for their beliefs.
I thought the Inquisition was over.
( I don't always spell the best either)
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I don't have a clue how to pronounce YHWH and I doubt anyone else is spot on about the pronounciation of the name.
No vowels you see.
The ancient Hebrew (Jews) we big into oral tradition thus probably had it right.
I think the Jews don't speak the name due more to ancient religious superstition than commandment or law.
I'm not at all certain of that so take it with that in mind.
I fully admit to being able to demonstrate how a mere human can be wrong.
I do, however, listen and respect correction especially with citation I can read for myself.
Getting the Word of God right is important to me.
No vowels you see.
The ancient Hebrew (Jews) we big into oral tradition thus probably had it right.
I think the Jews don't speak the name due more to ancient religious superstition than commandment or law.
I'm not at all certain of that so take it with that in mind.
I fully admit to being able to demonstrate how a mere human can be wrong.
I do, however, listen and respect correction especially with citation I can read for myself.
Getting the Word of God right is important to me.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
No one else does, either.
They didn't pronounce it.
They're the same thing at that point.
You may be chasing a false ambition. There is no "right." But there is "close." In order to do that, your best bet is to study with reputable, peer-reviewed scholars.
I did a quick check...I found some translations of Psalm83:18
ASV - American Standard Version - Jehovah
CSB - Holman Christian Bible - YAHWEH
LEB - Lexham English Bible - Yahweh
YLT - Youngs Literal Translation - Jehovah
WBT - The Webster Bible - JEHOVAH
DBY - The Darby Translation - Jehovah
ELB - Elberfelder 1905 - Jehova
What more can I say??
ASV - American Standard Version - Jehovah
CSB - Holman Christian Bible - YAHWEH
LEB - Lexham English Bible - Yahweh
YLT - Youngs Literal Translation - Jehovah
WBT - The Webster Bible - JEHOVAH
DBY - The Darby Translation - Jehovah
ELB - Elberfelder 1905 - Jehova
What more can I say??
There is nothing like the "truth"! the more you study the more you will come to appreciate it
Nada
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No,I do not.I was wondering which you thought you knew of.
No disrespect intended but how do you rationalize those that there are? There are many, such as Christ's last words, among many others. If the bible is the inerrant word of God, one would think the writers would have gotten the last words that Christ spoke correct. How do you justify that?
Justify? Explain please what you mean by "justify".
I have to ask. Why is it important to you that the bible be errant or in errant?
What meaning is there in an errant/inerrant bible?
I will say what I do when I come across an inconsistancy in the bible.
I investigate, try to uncover why there is a perceived inconsistancy.
Christain religion is important to me. It's personal, as it should be.
I come to these internet sites to learn, to exchange ideas, find support, learn references, dig up the Truth.
It ain't easy.
What IS easy is to denounce God, Jesus, the entire bible as nonsense, irrelevant, childish, having no meaning
in today's world.
It must be very easy to be an athiest or anti-thiest.
Kolibri
Well-Known Member
We know it isn't the original pronunciation. We know that it is likely a hybrid. This is nothing new to us. What matters to us it that Jesus said it was important to use the name. If we can not be certain of the original pronunciation because it was lost/hidden, then the literal pronunciation as it was first revealed is not of prime importance to us. What is important is that people can draw close to God by calling on him by name. It is also important to readily make it apparent who our God is as he is most readily recognized.
We also know that God's name was shortened even in the text. Hallelujah literally translates as "Praise Jah". So changing the name to a shortened version was not offensive to the God who authored the Scriptures we use.
Jehovah's Witnesses feel that the reasonable thing is to focus on helping people get to know the Creator on a personal level. The prime focus is the sanctification of his name in the sense of defending his reputation. That reputation is attached to whatever name is most widely recognized as him in each particular language.
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It was written by several different authors, and translated by many more. How can we reasonably expect it to not have contradictions?
outhouse
Atheistically
Its harder then you think.
As a self proclaimed biblically educated atheist, I wont let anyone mark the bible as nonsense, or childish, or having no meaning. I think you need to support your position because I don't know any atheist that claim that either.
Not it is easy to claim they used mythology and rhetoric because they did. It was the culture they lived in. It does not degrade from the beauty it enhances it.
Just because we don't want to let literalist ruin the beauty, by pointing out the known academic historical truth in knowledge and education known today, does not mean we denounce it.
outhouse
Atheistically
Fanaticism stops people from adding 1 + 1 and getting 2 for an answer. Something like this to many literalist, is an attack on their faith is not up for debate no matter how credible the evidence and no matter how simple the explanation really is.