I wouldn't be that restrictive.
60 is the cut-off....not 61.
I'm also open to people from Smartguyistan.
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Are There Any Differences Between Men and Women that Justify Inequality?
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60 is the cut-off....not 61.
I'm also open to people from Smartguyistan.
Firemen (used as unisex term here) often comes up for 2 reasons:
1) There's the old apocryphal quote from Gloria Steinem that to drag people out of a fire instead of carrying them would enable more women firemen. Whether she said it or not, it's remembered & mocked.
2) It's a case where there will be disparate effect (discrimination) in hiring because more men than women will meet the strength criterion.
Such jobs illustrate causes of gender differences on the job....far from being lowly baloney, it's more like a good chorizo. I'm OK with discrimination based upon sensible job qualification requirements. Let the best people get the job, be they male or female. Is this sexist because of disparage effect? I say no.
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Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
I bet we'd both have a hard time getting a job at Hooters.. you might stand a better chance in your kilt though!
My biggest problem would be the lack of a people personality. Saying things like, "Get yer own damn water, ya lazy spittle bedecked spoon fondler!", makes for poor tips.
Really, the difference is that women have a natural 6+ strength rather than a man's +7. But that's not very meaningful when you factor in the buffs, debuffs, gear & class choice..I think it's cute that the fireman/combat position is brought up every time, too, regarding biological differences between genders to explain why men can and women can't.
Watch who brings up the positions where men are expected to be better suited for jobs. Naturally. Because muscle mass.
LOL
That's why I brought up the testosterone argument as a limitation possibility for men. Hey, think about how lower testosterone places women in a favorable position for being in the war room, who can think more clearly and plan more accordingly with greater restraint of available resources with our testosterone-fueled navy seals and firefighters. Really, women are better suited to be in charge, naturally, because of more estrogen, less testosterone, and the ability to think more rationally through these situations.
Again, all in good fun, fellas.
I'd also have a hard time getting a job with the Chippendales.
How about leadership positions, contractors, or take your pick of gender dominant industries?
Like child care? Are women biologically superior here or no?
I wonder what a firewoman looks like... I mean, a female fireman!
I mean... oh you get the point!
This may not be true at all, but wouldn't the maternal-instinct-thing predispose women towards childcare of some sort? Not so much making them better at it as much as just them being inherently more likely to apply for it?
Of course!
I like consistent & simple language. Remember when "comedian" referred only to male comdeians, & the funny gals were called "comedienne"? Now, "comedian" is unisex. "Fireman" makes sense as a unisex word too. ("Fire fighter" has too many syllables.) And "waitress" should die a quiet death too, since "waiter" is good for everyone.
The paternal-instinct kicks in after children are born. Maternal bonding occurs during gestation in the later trimesters but before birth.
I have argued for a long while that men are just as equipped to bond with children and to care for them, sans direct breastfeeding (though can be fed through a bottle).
Compare to the "firefighter" or "Navy SEAL" argument that suggest men are superior than women at a job.
What jobs exist that women are superior at, according to all y'all that bring up firemen and navy SEALS?
Errr, did I word my stuff poorly or is that directed at others?
However, a job a woman might have the same amount of tiny, tiny edge a man might have as a SEAL or Fireman..hm..
Piloting military aircraft. Women tend to be shorter, and that's a big deal when the cockpit(snicker) is so small(more snickering).
Boy, have I seen examples to the contrary in the real world.
Me too, but personal anecdotes and all do not stand up to the science.
That's cute. lol
I think women are better than men in education, modeling, nursing (both medical and childcare), as a psychiatrist, telling, social help, decor designing... those come to my mind now. Generally I think women are kinder and have better memory utilization than men. These two for example, give them superiority against men in some fields.
I could be wrong of course. If I am, please correct me.
Ma'am, please believe me. I don't think women are ultimately less than men. I love women!
Funny as it is, it is also true. Not a lot of space in those things.
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
I would say so yes, it makes sense that women make better mothers.. and many consciously chose this over careers, perhaps that's what is undervalued.
Probably would. You also won't black out as easily in a tight turn. Not much room for the blood to go, basically.I'm 4'11". I win at everything in piloting then.
Anyone can wield the word "science" in making a claim. But what evidence is there to say no men have paternal instincts before birth, & that all women do? I'm skeptical because I know of examples to the contrary. In the arena of science, an exception to the rule means the rule is wrong.
Ref...
Four Myths About Bonding With Your Baby | Seleni Institute
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