Are There Any Differences Between Men and Women that Justify Inequality?

[Revoltingest]

I have a fried who claims it would be sacrilege to wear underwear under his kilt.

I'm all about sacrilege.
I even put sugar on me porridge.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Did you come from a large family, are they all still close?

I have a large heritage but it was cut somewhere along the way due to political reasons. Right now we are not that many, but we are close. In my community all relatives are close.

LOL! Very few women need a vacation because of normal monthly menstruation.

Most women that I know work right up into their ninth month of pregnancy. Of course that depends on their type of work. Most modern Nordic countries allow both the mother and father to take maternity leave. They recognize this bonding as best for the society long term. And indeed it is best.
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It's rainbow time

Ehm...

Then this part of my argument does exist, as you kindly confirmed it! Men don't ever need it. This entitles women to a special right. It is there, even if very few, so it is only fair to have something there for it, as I see it.

But do they all want to do that? Or are they forced into it by the culture and law having no choice but to work for a living? What about the ninth month? Men aren't affected by the ninth month nor the delivery unless they are the husbands, yet still not as much as women are.

Good thing that they both get it, but is it as troubling to the father as it is to the mother? It is still much trouble to the father, I only mean it is not as much compared to the mother. The bond is best for the world not just to a specific society, as I see it actually.

Ma'am, please understand, I'm not trying to belittle women here. If equality means denying women their special rights to make them equal to men, then it is useless. Equality was invented to bring lost rights, not take them away, nor to make a carbon copy of everyone. I'm trying to give women rights here! You're a strong willed lady and I commend that, but even among women there are different individuals. I believe it is okay to not practice a right given to us if we choose to, but when we need it, we want it to be there.

But do the women actually want this? Or are they forced into it by a patriarchal society, and tradition?
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Not sure about that, but most women I know don't just go with it, they demand it. It could be different in other cultures of course. I'm only speaking for myself in that post in a reply to a question about it. The rest of "most women I know", do have jobs and don't demand it. At any rate, it is a culture and we go with the flow. Whiter we are forced is not an issue we normally think about. This is called cultural differences.

 

[Ingledsva]

I have a large heritage but it was cut somewhere along the way due to political reasons. Right now we are not that many, but we are close. In my community all relatives are close.



It's rainbow time

Ehm...

Then this part of my argument does exist, as you kindly confirmed it! Men don't ever need it. This entitles women to a special right. It is there, even if very few, so it is only fair to have something there for it, as I see it.

ING - Actually I confirm nothing. It is very rare, and means an underlying medical problem. Not normal women.

But do they all want to do that? Or are they forced into it by the culture and law having no choice but to work for a living? What about the ninth month? Men aren't affected by the ninth month nor the delivery unless they are the husbands, yet still not as much as women are.

ING - What about the ninth month? Around the world women work right through the ninth month, push out the baby, get up, and get working, because they are poor and have no choice.

Good thing that they both get it, but is it as troubling to the father as it is to the mother? It is still much trouble to the father, I only mean it is not as much compared to the mother. The bond is best for the world not just to a specific society, as I see it actually.

ING - Indeed, - I meant it is best to Society as a whole, world wide.

Ma'am, please understand, I'm not trying to belittle women here.

ING - I think you got the wrong impression from my reply to you. I never thought you were belittling women. Did you miss the smiley?

If equality means denying women their special rights to make them equal to men, then it is useless. Equality was invented to bring lost rights, not take them away, nor to make a carbon copy of everyone. I'm trying to give women rights here! You're a strong willed lady and I commend that, but even among women there are different individuals. I believe it is okay to not practice a right given to us if we choose to, but when we need it, we want it to be there.

But do the women actually want this? Or are they forced into it by a patriarchal society, and tradition?

Not sure about that, but most women I know don't just go with it, they demand it. It could be different in other cultures of course. I'm only speaking for myself in that post in a reply to a question about it. The rest of "most women I know", do have jobs and don't demand it. At any rate, it is a culture and we go with the flow. Whiter we are forced is not an issue we normally think about. This is called cultural differences.

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The reason I asked if your women really want such, is because you said you were from Saudi Arabia, were women officially aren't supposed to leave the house without an escort, can't open a bank account without a male's OK, can't even order furniture without a male's OK, can't drive a car, and up to this year - couldn't even vote in local elections.

This means they actually have no choice, and no money, or transportation, to escape, if they wanted to.

Women can't travel, work, or even get medical treatment without consent of a male.

It was just last year that human-rights groups were happy to see new legislation to criminalize domestic violence.

I'm guessing Saudi women are not happy with the way things are.

And YES, I know things are slowly changing for the better.

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[Smart_Guy]

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The reason I asked if your women really want such, is because you said you were from Saudi Arabia, were women officially aren't supposed to leave the house without an escort, can't open a bank account without a male's OK, can't even order furniture without a male's OK, can't drive a car, and up to this year - couldn't even vote in local elections.

This means they actually have no choice, and no money, or transportation, to escape, if they wanted to.

Women can't travel, work, or even get medical treatment without consent of a male.

It was just last year that human-rights groups were happy to see new legislation to criminalize domestic violence.

I'm guessing Saudi women are not happy with the way things are.

And YES, I know things are slowly changing for the better.

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Oh, there are misconceptions there. I'll come back and explain later. Not that I defend *audi *rabia of course. I really sucks here hehe!

You actually turned out to be a nice lady... I think I like you

 

[Smart_Guy]

Okay, I'm back

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The reason I asked if your women really want such, is because you said you were from Saudi Arabia, were women officially aren't supposed to leave the house without an escort, can't open a bank account without a male's OK, can't even order furniture without a male's OK, can't drive a car, and up to this year - couldn't even vote in local elections.

This means they actually have no choice, and no money, or transportation, to escape, if they wanted to.

Women can't travel, work, or even get medical treatment without consent of a male.

It was just last year that human-rights groups were happy to see new legislation to criminalize domestic violence.

I'm guessing Saudi women are not happy with the way things are.

And YES, I know things are slowly changing for the better.

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I honestly don't know about the official part, but women with their own bank accounts, business, properties, their own drivers... etc., are all over the place. When I go to shopping malls, I see women alone without male escorts. I believe the only major problem is the driving law. Why they are not allowed to drive is beyond me!

Then again, I can't comment on the choice or happiness thought because I am not a woman. I think the best to do that is to discuss it with a Saudi woman yourself personally and ask them how they feel. Of course there are who don't like it, but that's normal and every community has those people.

Again, I'm not defending *audi *rabia, and cultures are different. Evey single living being has no choice at some point. I'm only speaking of what I see in person. It sucks here

Actually I confirm nothing. It is very rare, and means an underlying medical problem. Not normal women.

Sorry, I thought when you said "very few" you meant that it does happen after all as "very few" still means it is there. My concern is when that "very few" of even "rare" case happens, the specific leave/allowance would be there just in case. I heard some monthly cases are more serious than others. Men still would never have such a problem since they never have that monthly case in the first place. But I guess I cannot really discuss this subject in depth since I'm a man so I never know how it really is.

What about the ninth month? Around the world women work right through the ninth month, push out the baby, get up, and get working, because they are poor and have no choice.

Can I ask if you're a working woman? If the question sounds rude, please ignore it.

Because they have no choice, that's the point. Not because they want to or because they can go back 100% directly. If a responsible husband was there, they would have a choice, and their choice would be to take their rest. I don't think any woman can give birth and get up to work in a day and night without consequences. I don't even think she would be 100% in the ninth month. Let alone sudden water breaking (erm, I think this what means the delivery should take place now). My original point was that if those women were working women, the work owner should realize that and give them an allowance and a leave over the allowances and leaves of men. Wouldn't you personally want that, or are you okay with being forced to work in the ninth month and give delivery then go back to work in a night and day?

I think you got the wrong impression from my reply to you. I never thought you were belittling women. Did you miss the smiley?

Cool! I had my worries because of who I am. You know, a Saudi!

 

[Sees]

Okay, I'm back



I honestly don't know about the official part, but women with their own bank accounts, business, properties, their own drivers... etc., are all over the place. When I go to shopping malls, I see women alone without male escorts. I believe the only major problem is the driving law. Why they are not allowed to drive is beyond me!

Then again, I can't comment on the choice or happiness thought because I am not a woman. I think the best to do that is to discuss it with a Saudi woman yourself personally and ask them how they feel. Of course there are who don't like it, but that's normal and every community has those people.

Again, I'm not defending *audi *rabia, and cultures are different. Evey single living being has no choice at some point. I'm only speaking of what I see in person. It sucks here



Sorry, I thought when you said "very few" you meant that it does happen after all as "very few" still means it is there. My concern is when that "very few" of even "rare" case happens, the specific leave/allowance would be there just in case. I heard some monthly cases are more serious than others. Men still would never have such a problem since they never have that monthly case in the first place. But I guess I cannot really discuss this subject in depth since I'm a man so I never know how it really is.



Can I ask if you're a working woman? If the question sounds rude, please ignore it.

Because they have no choice, that's the point. Not because they want to or because they can go back 100% directly. If a responsible husband was there, they would have a choice, and their choice would be to take their rest. I don't think any woman can give birth and get up to work in a day and night without consequences. I don't even think she would be 100% in the ninth month. Let alone sudden water breaking (erm, I think this what means the delivery should take place now). My original point was that if those women were working women, the work owner should realize that and give them an allowance and a leave over the allowances and leaves of men. Wouldn't you personally want that, or are you okay with being forced to work in the ninth month and give delivery then go back to work in a night and day?



Cool! I had my worries because of who I am. You know, a Saudi!

Which brings up the question, how does one find a woman from S.A. to ask questions? It seems to be like finding a lady of Camelot. Like there are restrictions put in place for their internet access or a complete cut off.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Oh, internet access is open to everyone and censored for everyone equally from the govt.. A woman can request a telephone line online (typical internet here is DSL) same as men, and the technicians will come soon, do everything then reply with the results. As for me, in my family we don't restrict internet access to out women.

But back to the main point of your question, is it even easy to find a man from *audi *rabia to talk to? I mean, how many *audi men do you know other than me to talk to?

There are actually many *audi women online every where, but the language is the problem. You tube is an example. Consider yourself lucky finding me speaking English

 

[Sees]

Oh, internet access is open to everyone and censored for everyone equally from the govt.. A woman can request a telephone line online (typical internet here is DSL) same as men, and the technicians will come soon, do everything then reply with the results. As for me, in my family we don't restrict internet access to out women.

But back to the main point of your question, is it even easy to find a man from *audi *rabia to talk to? I mean, how many *audi men do you know other than me to talk to?

There are actually many *audi women online every where, but the language is the problem. You tube is an example. Consider yourself lucky finding me speaking English

True, we are very lucky to have you The other Saudi guys I remember talking to were in chat rooms a decade ago, maybe a half dozen, and ones here in the U.S.

 

[Smart_Guy]

True, we are very lucky to have you The other Saudi guys I remember talking to were in chat rooms a decade ago, maybe a half dozen, and ones here in the U.S.

I think even among those Saudis, only some of them can actually make it through a comprehensive long conversation like the ones we have here on RF to clearly and close to accurately speak their mind right. One day Saudis will be good in English... one day!

I hope

 

[chinu]

Are there any inheritable differences between men and women that would justify social, political, or economic inequality between them? If so, what are those differences

Men always lacks in blind-faith which is required along with wisdom in any work to make a success.
Women always lacks in wisdom which is required along with blind-faith in any work to make a success.

Both are incomplete,
That is why both of them run after each other


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[Midnight Rain]

Men always lacks in blind-faith which is required along with wisdom in any work to make a success.
Women always lacks in wisdom which is required along with blind-faith in any work to make a success.

Both are incomplete,
That is why both of them run after each other


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Men lack blind faith and women lack wisdom? Evidence?

 

[chinu]

Men lack blind faith and women lack wisdom? Evidence?

Sorry no evidence.
You can see that in most of the cases all around you

 

[Midnight Rain]

Sorry no evidence.
You can see that in most of the cases all around you

You believe that women lack wisdom? Because you see them as foolish? I do not see that as most of the cases all around us. And for the record blind faith I also don't see as being predominately male either.

 

[Parsimony]

Sorry no evidence.
You can see that in most of the cases all around you

I most certainly don't see that "all around me". Sounds like a baseless claim if you can't actually provide evidence beyond the anecdotal. I can't even begin to see how you arrived at your conclusion.

"Blind faith" is required to make any work a success? How do you get that? How is blind faith involved in, say, making a sandwich or learning how to ride a bicycle?

 

[Akivah]

Or perhaps rich women are being led by their brains, and realize handsome young men are likely out for their money,

while rich men are being led by a different head, and thus choose the hot babe, over a prudent prenup.

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A prudent prenup? I thought a marriage was about combining into one marital union. Are you saying men that are the breadwinners should follow what the millionaire females do and properly not share their wealth with their spouses, they should all get "prudent prenups"?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Are there any inheritable differences between men and women that would justify social, political, or economic inequality between them? If so, what are those differences and how do you know they are innate?

I'll just leave this here for people to refer to in case anyone feels like basing an argument on the average characteristics of men and women:

Why prejudice is stupid, or the distribution is not the mean | ReligiousForums.com

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I'll just leave this here for people to refer to in case anyone feels like basing an argument on the average characteristics of men and women:

Why prejudice is stupid, or the distribution is not the mean | ReligiousForums.com

Yes yes yes yes YES!!! xoxoxo

 

[Revoltingest]

Men lack blind faith and women lack wisdom? Evidence?

My apologies to Chinu (a really great person), but he is our Sheldon Cooper. One must be careful about asking him questions.
To those unfamiliar with the risk of Mr Cooper's answers, please just ignore this post.

Now, back to business.
I'm so multi-cultural, that I've had a female maintenance man, & I've had a male gal Friday.

 

[Ingledsva]

Okay, I'm back
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Can I ask if you're a working woman? If the question sounds rude, please ignore it.
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Yes, all three of us work.

I studied Archaeology, however, to stay on my island, I now (generally) work from my computer, doing research and cataloging. This is also why I can annoy people at all odd hours of the day and night. I leave Religious Forums up in the background, and use it for my breaks.

This works well, because trying to coordinate a trip with three people, with three different jobs, is rather difficult. I can now set my own hours, and work from anywhere around the country.

We now have our time off coordinated.


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[Ingledsva]

A prudent prenup? I thought a marriage was about combining into one marital union. Are you saying men that are the breadwinners should follow what the millionaire females do and properly not share their wealth with their spouses, they should all get "prudent prenups"?

ALL people with a lot of money - should have prenups, wills, etc. Oh, and good lawyers.

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