I think science is clear that there are differences between men and women on average, with huge overlap.
I do not feel that any of these differences justify institutionalized inequality between them. People should be treated as individuals.
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Are There Any Differences Between Men and Women that Justify Inequality?
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I do not feel that any of these differences justify institutionalized inequality between them. People should be treated as individuals.
gnomon
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As someone earlier pointed out there is the very basic definition of being a female, childbirth, that does deserve appropriate attention from employers.
There are also definitive health care needs based upon hormonal development which must be addressed.
But that is not what this thread is about. I caught that.
Beyond that.....none.
The issue of specific job requirements from firefighting, military active service, professional sports, etc, should be solely based upon the merit that such positions require. Those definitions will exclude both females and males based upon their physical ability and health at the time.
Is this based upon an innate difference.
Averages suggest it is. That's a fact of biology.
Until the advent of the modern military we see today males were predominantly more capable of the violent military action required. They were fare more capable of enduring the physical requirements. That actually seems to be the case today given the statistics we see.
As far as other avenues such as politics there does not appear to be a physical difference between male or female in conducting such activities. Political proclivity is apparently based upon cultural bias.
The latter statement holds true for economic issues.
However, since your question was so broad I have to say yes. There are some inherent differences in regards to the difference between males and females in such a broad question.
One need only look at war. The statistical evidence suggests there is far overwhelming evidence in suggesting an inequality. Yes, anyone can point to some warrior women or a handful of cultures where females partook in warfare but the absolute fact remains. Among the majority of cultures throughout human history young men are drafted into warfare and are the victims of that conflict.
There is also another aspect, directly related to the results of warfare, that show an inequality. Namely that the losers of warfare witnessed the males upon the culture killed while the women were taken.
And looking at what is still going in much of the world today this still seems to be held true.
Just look at the victims of modern slavery in this world. It's not males. Slavery in the modern world by most sources is stated to exceed that of the trans-Atlantic slave trade but who are the victims of that slave trade? Females.
I don't care if people don't want to admit it. There is obviously a difference between male and female and even unto this day it is the female that is suffering the most. While we in the West argue about the, in my opinion, stupid argument that female in a position in one company is not paid the same as male in a different position in anther company (I work with a company with a long traditions of equitable pay), the fact remains that females are sold into slavery among all nations that put the Atlantic Slave trade to shame.
That. That is a real problem.
So the next time some stupid game developer creates a stupid blog about a bunch of nonsense......someone named Anita.....I will show you the real problems.
Sorry. I'm a bit bitter over the numerous news stories I read about the "gaming industry" and it's problems by so called feminists like Anita while there has been a very long ongoing issue of young women sold into sexual slavery throughout the world, even in the United States and other Western Nations, that I find the modern complaints of modern feminism to be bull****.
Deep breath. Maybe I took the thread farther than it should have gone.
Yes. There are obvious differences between the male and female individuals in the world. If you have to rely on this thread to tell you this........than you are not thinking.
It's okay. You don't have to stress yourself out over female vloggers like Anita speaking their minds about something. It's not like they're threatening people or telling people to threaten others or anything actually criminal.
If people need to be reminded that feminism addresses these very real and urgent problems over and over and over again concerning trafficking, honor killings, domestic partner violence, and genital mutilation, and think "modern" feminism is defined by how mens rights groups, 4chan, and egalitarians gripe about them....people aren't paying attention to what the majority of feminists actually address.
So, people get angry. Feminists get angry, too. Now what?
The problem is that "modern feminism" is a collection of different people & diverse flavors of feminism. Some are definitely sublithic bovine coprolites. These are the most easily noticed because they attract media attention, & they stand out in our memories. But others are reasonable & civil. Different people will tendentiously define "feminism"....its foes looking at the worst elements, its adherents looking at the paragons.
The differences are acknowledged by most. But the question is whether they require institutional differences in treatment. I favor avoiding gender based regulation wherever practical, but I accept that there will be disparate effect where caused by gender related traits, eg, strength, physical size.
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Uh oh....now you did it. You're the subject of a new thread
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Not just him. But several members who have said the exact same thing about modern feminism.
You two love each other, don't you?
Once upon a time the camaderie was strong. But we were unofficially divorced not too long ago on RF. Call it a cold war now, I guess.
But, isn't this the General Debates section?
Yepeee, then I can do this:
Can I have a hug?
And this:
But there is no yellow DIR's! You're yellow!
Yepeee, then I can do this:
Once upon a time the camaderie was strong. But we were unofficially divorced not too long ago on RF. Call it a cold war now, I guess.
Can I have a hug?
And this:
But there is no yellow DIR's! You're yellow!
Can I have a hug?
Of course! *glomps and hugs SG*
It is confusing now that the DIR colors are gone. Green, blue, purple....they're all the same now. It's hard to remember which each once was, so I just avoid'm all now unless I belong. I wonder....will colors be brought back? I liked having the green & blue ones available so I could have friendly discussions. (Buddhists were particularly friendly to this heathen.)
But I fixed it in an edit.You screwed up the quote feature haha
I make a lot of mistakes, but correct most of'm quickly. If you see one, it's the tip of the iceberg....there are a couple hundred you were just too slow to catch. On top of my own incompetence, my laptop inserts the random "k" at times.
It's a straw man to keep claiming that I challenge this.
The reality is that I acknowledge & approve of this purpose, & have stated so repeatedly.
I addressed the subversion of that the purpose.
We will agree to disagree.
I doubt feminists would be so accepting of nons calling them "self-proclaimed feminists".
They don't even like the prefix, "modern".
No....that's not so off topic.
But this is...
I know, I'm just playing around with ya, buddy. You seemed a little you know what
Of course I knew you were fun'n me, bruderherz!I know, I'm just playing around with ya, buddy. You seemed a little you know what
But I'll still go on & on about nuthin.
(It builds me post count.)
I'm being too familiar, eh?Now now, it's not nice going calling me names like that
Don't be frightened by intimacy.
Your doubts are in error. I am a self proclaimed feminist. I identify as a feminist. In the creation of the DIR, the litmus test was and has always been self-identification.
If you see subversion of a DIR, report it to staff.