Are there single fathers, who never married, with children in the West?

[Robert.Evans]

I got nothing but troll

meaning what?

 

[leibowde84]

Yes you did.
You ignored what I said, and replied to him not me.
I often disagree with Robert. You commonly conflate our opinions because we do agree about some things.

I don't seem able to have a discussion with you because you usually ignore what I say and go on about what you think I must have meant.
Tom

What did you want me to address. I already explained how expecting a parent to stay home is no longer realistic.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Let me start again:
Tell me what is wrong with a child expecting a loving mother to be their through their upbringing? The answer that they can't be because they are working is because of feminism (the biggest change in the last few decades).

Women now mostly have to work, as market forces have changed- more money in the house drives up the market price of something. (if you don't understand that, look it up)

Early feminists set out to destroy the family, and going by many modern feminist forums, they still are. One quote: "if that means the demise of the family, so be it. It's an outdated institution anyway".

Perhaps you could also tell me what is so hateful for me to say that against women and why it is people can't seem to discuss the matter.

 

[Draka]

Now you look at some of the vulgarity there and yet you tell me you are feminine and that you understand what that means. And, yet again, more misrepresentations of me.

I see you didn't address a thing I said. Not surprising. Hard to argue against facts. Though you do try your best at times.

And vulgarity? What vulgarity? Penis? Is penis vulgar? Does me saying penis mean I have no femininity now? Is saying the word penis a check for femininity? Penis? Really? Penis? Hmm...Penis means I'm not feminine. Interesting. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Hmm, nope, I still think I'm feminine. Maybe I'm not saying it right? Peeeeeniiiissss. Hmm. PENIS. Huh. Pe-NIS. No. I'm lost.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I see you didn't address a thing I said. Not surprising. Hard to argue against facts. Though you do try your best at times.

And vulgarity? What vulgarity? Penis? Is penis vulgar? Does me saying penis mean I have no femininity now? Is saying the word penis a check for femininity? Penis? Really? Penis? Hmm...Penis means I'm not feminine. Interesting. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Hmm, nope, I still think I'm feminine. Maybe I'm not saying it right? Peeeeeniiiissss. Hmm. PENIS. Huh. Pe-NIS. No. I'm lost.

rather sick comments imo

 

[Draka]

rather sick comments imo

It's a word. The correct name for a piece of anatomy. It isn't vulgar or sick. Look...

Penis.
Vagina.
Clitoris.
Testicles.
Labia.
Anus.
Nipples.
Breasts.

Seriously, if you have problems with anatomical words you have even more issues than previously thought. And that's rather impressive.

 

[leibowde84]

rather sick comments imo

Why would the word "penis" be "sick" or "vulgar"? What word would be better for that extremity?

 

[Parsimony]

Tell me what is wrong with a child expecting a loving mother to be their through their upbringing?

Nothing, as long as there is also nothing wrong with a child expecting a loving father to be their through their upbringing instead if they want.

Early feminists set out to destroy the family, and going by many modern feminist forums, they still are. One quote: "if that means the demise of the family, so be it. It's an outdated institution anyway".

I don't know which feminists want to destroy the family, but women having the same opportunities in life as men would not automatically destroy families.

 

[Draka]

Why would the word "penis" be "sick" or "vulgar"? What word would be better for that extremity?

Perhaps he prefers "member".

 

[Draka]

Funny bit: I told my kids that there was a guy on the forum I chat on who doesn't think women should work and that if they do they are taking jobs away from men and that women who work jobs like the military and such aren't "real" women. My 9y/o son gave me this incredulous look and just said "that's dumb". A 9y/o boy knows better. That should say something.

 

[Draka]

And what jobs are women better than men at?

Humans are individuals with different capabilities. Not gender driven. That is, many women may be better at their jobs than their male counterparts and ...vice versa.

I was better at my job as an AT than my male co-workers, and I was the only woman in the shop. What does that say? And it isn't just ego speaking there. I was the preferred flightline tech from my shop by all the aircrew in my command. Whenever there was an issue that needed to be fixed right on the flightline so they could get back out in a hurry I was the tech that was requested and sent out. I also scored much higher than all my co-workers on our rating exams (tests for promotions). The proof is in the pudding as it were.

 

[paarsurrey]

Yes.
Like men, whether because of evolution or God, tend to be polygamous. Almost all men, if they are not taught the value of monogamy, will be "impulsive" when it comes to sex.
He is a good case study in the various ways USA culture has messed up the family and child rearing. There is a lot more to his story than I have had time to tell about.
Tom

I think, it is better by Law to accept the polygamous nature of man, if all parties agree to be peaceful while living together, in that situation. Right?
Regards

 

[columbus]

I think, it is better by Law to accept the polygamous nature of man, if all parties agree to be peaceful while living together, in that situation. Right?
Regards

Once again, the way you phrase the question makes it hard to answer. "better by law to accept" doesn't really make sense in the sentence.
Yes, humans in general and men in particular are polygamous by nature. But that is not the arrangement that tends to work best for most people most often.
There is no particular reason for the state to recognize multiple marriage. If the marriage doesn't make the two individuals next of kin there is not much point.
But as long as everybody is behaving in a responsible manner towards each other, then I see no reason for the state to get involved. Usually when the state gets involved in such personal matters things just get worse.
Tom

 

[JoStories]

It seems clear that you are extremely prejudiced against women in general. Can you explain where this came from? Are you married? Did your wife leave you or something? Just curious, as you have a lot of seemingly unjustified animosity towards women.

I brought that up quite some time ago. It seems very clear to me that this poster has some serious issues with women. His views are so skewed as to be something from several centuries ago.

 

[JoStories]

Why can't the woman go out to provide and the man stay home, assuming that each has the ability to provide for the entire family monetarily? You haven't explained your reasoning for this at all.

I didn't say that women, in general, are better at any job, just as men in general aren't better at any job. Certain women are better at certain jobs than certain men are. That is obvious. Why would you disagree?

Btw, the only thing you've explained is that you have an unsubstantiated hatred/prejudice for women in general, unless they are stay-at-home moms.

I agree. There was a time, given that I am older now, that I thought women were better at being nurses than men. Over time, I saw how biased that view was. I know many men who are awesome at nursing. And what is wrong with that? My sister was a steel worker and damned good at her job, which is largely a male dominated profession. This poster's views are antiquated at best and depict, IMO, some issues with women that are in need of mental help. I don't mean to offend by that but just that such views seem so twisted to me. Its sad.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Funny bit: I told my kids that there was a guy on the forum I chat on who doesn't think women should work and that if they do they are taking jobs away from men and that women who work jobs like the military and such aren't "real" women. My 9y/o son gave me this incredulous look and just said "that's dumb". A 9y/o boy knows better. That should say something.

Indoctrinated by his mother and the media and government I'd say.

 

[Robert.Evans]

in need of mental help.

I don't mean to offend by that

 

[Draka]

Indoctrinated by his mother and the media and government I'd say.

Given that I have been a SAHM his entire life, you know, he has been raised in exactly the type of home that you seem to approve of, I'd say it just shows that he can think for himself and has respect for women. Unlike you. If that is indoctrination I'm mighty damn proud of it.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Given that I have been a SAHM his entire life, you know, he has been raised in exactly the type of home that you seem to approve of, I'd say it just shows that he can think for himself and has respect for women. Unlike you. If that is indoctrination I'm mighty damn proud of it.

You would be.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Now you look at some of the vulgarity there and yet you tell me you are feminine and that you understand what that means. And, yet again, more misrepresentations of me.

Vulgarity?? Where?