Are transgender/transsexual people accepted in your religion?

[Shadow Wolf]

People observing their religion in a way that's less likely to result in their children violating the laws of their religion makes it ok to be suspicious and hateful towards them?

I'm not saying it's ok, just that it's understandable. Like how it's not ok but understandable that many people wouldn't like me for being trans. When you isolate yourself, it will create problems for yourself.

Are you a child? If not, I fail to see how this is relevant.

I'm not a child, and it's relative because it means even though everybody else is sipping lattes and watching American idol doesn't mean I doing it as well. I don't have to keep myself sheltered to retain my interests in things like classic music, or spare the meat during some meals or days.

 

[Prestor John]

Hey Shadow Wolf.

You and I have come to understand the life, mission, motivation, personality, ability, compassion, suffering and role (as our Savior and Redeemer) of the Lord Jesus Christ very differently.

My belief is that the totality of what He has done for us - You and I and everyone who has ever lived, is living and will ever live upon this world and every other world He has created and inhabited with the Father’s children - has been called His Atonement.

Not only has His Atonement satisfied the demands of Justice on the behalf of all and made it possible for Him to extend Mercy to all of the Father’s children on the condition of repentance, but it also has established a profound connection between Him and all of us.

His Atonement has made Him literally “At-one” with us all. He has come to know and understand us through and through. He gained this through His suffering on our behalf.

I have come to know these things through my lifetime of study, pondering, prayer and spiritual guidance from my Priesthood leaders.

I don’t know what has led you to come to the conclusions you have about God, His Christ, the Gospel plan, eternity or this mortal life but I will now share my opinion about your comments and address any of the questions and concerns you have shared.

I will speak plainly and bluntly - which many tend to assume is arrogant or contentious - so I will point out now that I have no intention of insulting you or anyone. I’m just sharing my personal views and opinions.

He was the son of god with the promise of resurrection.

Actually, it was He Himself who promised His own Resurrection as well the resurrection of all Mankind.

It was He who raised Himself. He had that ability and power. He chose to lay down His life and He chose to bring Himself up again.

The universal resurrection for all of God’s children is a free gift that the Lord Jesus Christ has promised to every single person who has lived, is living and will ever live.

He had to suffer death and descend below all things in order to conquer the grave and gain the ability to offer it to us all.

He did this for us because we could not do it for ourselves.

He is immortal and had one lousy weekend.

Take a moment to consider what you said.

Yes, The Lord Jesus Christ is an immortal, yet He chose to suffer and die for us.

Does anyone want to die, let alone a person who could have avoided it for eternity?

How about a Being who could have literally lived forever without any pain, disease, weakness or death?

Yet, He descended from His throne above and came into our imperfect world to do things for us that we could never do for ourselves.

I find your comment that the infinite pain and ignominious death that He suffered in both Gethsemane and Calvary to be in bad taste and shared in ignorance.

You would never have described His Atoning Sacrifice thusly if you actually knew and understood all that He has done for us.

At least Prometheus is resurrected everyday so his liver can be eaten out by a giant eagle or whatever.

Well, the story of Prometheus describes him suffering for his own sin, not for the sins of others.

The Lord Jesus Christ never committed sin. He was completely free of any guilt or wrong-doing.

Everything He suffered was for others. For us. He suffered pains unimaginable because we decided to sin.

That is suffering and torment.

I agree that that would be awful, but it infinitely pales in comparison to what the Lord Jesus Christ had to endure.

The prophet Alma in his book found in the Book of Mormon sheds some light on what the Lord had to endure on our behalf,

“And he shall go forth, suffering pains and afflictions and temptations of every kind; and this that the word might be fulfilled which saith he will take upon him the pains and the sicknesses of his people.
12 And he will take upon him death, that he may loose the bands of death which bind his people; and he will take upon him their infirmities, that his bowels may be filled with mercy, according to the flesh, that he may know according to the flesh how to succor his people according to their infirmities.
13 Now the Spirit knoweth all things; nevertheless the Son of God suffereth according to the flesh that he might take upon him the sins of his people, that he might blot out their transgressions according to the power of his deliverance; and now behold, this is the testimony which is in me.” (Alma 7:11-13)

The Lord Himself briefly described His sufferings in these latter-days to the Prophet Joseph Smith when He explained how important it was for all people to repent of their sins,

“15 Therefore I command you to repent—repent, lest I smite you by the rod of my mouth, and by my wrath, and by my anger, and your sufferings be sore—how sore you know not, how exquisite you know not, yea, how hard to bear you know not.
16 For behold, I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they would repent;
17 But if they would not repent they must suffer even as I;
18 Which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit—and would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and shrink—
19 Nevertheless, glory be to the Father, and I partook and finished my preparations unto the children of men.
20 Wherefore, I command you again to repent, lest I humble you with my almighty power; and that you confess your sins, lest you suffer these punishments of which I have spoken, of which in the smallest, yea, even in the least degree you have tasted at the time I withdrew my Spirit.” (Doctrine & Covenants 19:15-20)

I don’t believe it would be possible for you to completely recollect all the pains, afflictions, temptations, sicknesses and infirmities that you have had suffer throughout your existence.

If you somehow could - How difficult to bear that would be!

It’s hard enough for you and I, or anyone, to have to bear all these things that we suffer, but could you imagine also having to suffer all the pains, afflictions, etc of another person?

Man, that would suck.

Now consider suffering these things for every person who has ever lived, is living and will ever live upon this Earth?

That would be impossible!

Yet we know that the Lord Jesus Christ did suffer these things. Not only for the inhabitants of this world, but for the inhabitants of all other worlds that He had created and populated with the Father’s children.

This is a literal infinite number of individuals whose lifetime consequences of sin the Lord Jesus Christ chose to suffer for.

And I haven’t even gotten to His death yet!

As you pointed out, the Lord is immortal, which means that death could not be forced on Him. His death on the cross was not beyond His control. He chose exactly when to give up the ghost. He had power over death.

He could have left His body in Gethsemane, when the suffering began, or better yet the day before He even suffered. Yet He waited until the entire price had been paid for all. He waited until Justice had been served. He suffered until the work was finished before testifying that it was done and choosing to expire.

I know I have rambled a bit, but I would like to share some of the words of the Apostle Elder Bruce R. McConkie, because I feel that He summed up what I have been trying to convey perfectly,

“We do not know, we cannot tell, no mortal mind can conceive the full import of what Christ did in Gethsemane.

We know he sweat great gouts of blood from every pore as he drained the dregs of that bitter cup his Father had given him.

We know he suffered, both body and spirit, more than it is possible for man to suffer, except it be unto death.

We know that in some way, incomprehensible to us, his suffering satisfied the demands of justice, ransomed penitent souls from the pains and penalties of sin, and made mercy available to those who believe in his holy name.

We know that he lay prostrate upon the ground as the pains and agonies of an infinite burden caused him to tremble and would that he might not drink the bitter cup.”

You can read his full talk here:

The Purifying Power of Gethsemane - Bruce R. McConkie

He goes more into the indignities and physical tortures that the Jews placed on their Messiah and I recommend you read it.

 

[Prestor John]

With what Jesus allegedly was/is, it's no different than me claiming I suffered while the clamp was on my tongue when I got it pierced.

Now imagine suffering that pain for everyone who has ever gotten their tongue pierced. Stack that up cumulatively.

That still wouldn't be close to what our Lord and Savior had to suffer.

It's like a child screaming they have the worst parents ever because the parents grounded the child, while the neighbor's kid is being molested by their parents.

Again, I believe you are speaking from ignorance.

The Lord Jesus Christ suffered the pains of all children ever. He suffered the worst of groundings as well as the worst of molestations.

He knows exactly what all children have been through. Even you.

It sure is that way with me. With hormones alone I've never known such inner peace.

Feeling justified in our sins is not a new phenomenon.

Mankind has been doing that since the beginning, which is why the Lord continually called prophets to testify of the people’s wickedness and call them to repentance.

It is my belief that your contentment is a lie and will not last. I think pointing out that these feelings only come to your when you take medications is evidence of that.

Inner peace cannot be found that way.

So long now since I've regretted my birth not being fatal.

Then why did you never commit suicide?

I find this little piece of drama to be dishonest.

Life is precious and sacred.

How can you think this when you wished you were never born?

Again, I’m finding it hard to swallow your drama.

But trying to be a guy, be a man, I couldn't see this and I couldn't wait for this life to end.

What do you mean by “trying” to be a guy?

Is there a model or instruction manual somewhere for how to be a male?

There is no perfect example of manhood. You can be any kind of man you want to be.

You either have a penis or you don’t. You either are a man or you are not.

It’s that simple.

Or, at for at least as much as I "believe in a soul." This body just should not have been born male.

Sounds like you have a mental disorder and you need professional help.

Denying reality will not help you.

And while even being aware that there is a long list of ways I won't be fully accepted as female (as with male), just feeling better about myself during, throughout and at the end of the day makes the list of "won't haves" worth bearing.

I understand how living in a fantasy can make someone feel good.

I personally love reading fiction and playing video games because I like imagining that I am taking part in the fantasy.

However, I will never be Master Chief or Frodo Baggins.

You will never be a woman if you were born a man.

That’s just reality and it is not healthy to deny it.

I quite like sleeping being happy and smiling instead of suicidal and crying.

Masking your pain with medications or tricking your brain with delusional justifications is not real happiness.

If you are suicidal and depressed, that means you need professional help, not a bottle of pills

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Now imagine suffering that pain for everyone who has ever gotten their tongue pierced. Stack that up cumulatively.

That still wouldn't be close to what our Lord and Savior had to suffer.

Again, I believe you are speaking from ignorance.

The Lord Jesus Christ suffered the pains of all children ever. He suffered the worst of groundings as well as the worst of molestations.

He knows exactly what all children have been through. Even you.

Feeling justified in our sins is not a new phenomenon.

Mankind has been doing that since the beginning, which is why the Lord continually called prophets to testify of the people’s wickedness and call them to repentance.

It is my belief that your contentment is a lie and will not last. I think pointing out that these feelings only come to your when you take medications is evidence of that.

Inner peace cannot be found that way.

Then why did you never commit suicide?

I find this little piece of drama to be dishonest.

How can you think this when you wished you were never born?

Again, I’m finding it hard to swallow your drama.

What do you mean by “trying” to be a guy?

Is there a model or instruction manual somewhere for how to be a male?

There is no perfect example of manhood. You can be any kind of man you want to be.

You either have a penis or you don’t. You either are a man or you are not.

It’s that simple.

Sounds like you have a mental disorder and you need professional help.

Denying reality will not help you.

I understand how living in a fantasy can make someone feel good.

I personally love reading fiction and playing video games because I like imagining that I am taking part in the fantasy.

However, I will never be Master Chief or Frodo Baggins.

You will never be a woman if you were born a man.

That’s just reality and it is not healthy to deny it.

Masking your pain with medications or tricking your brain with delusional justifications is not real happiness.

If you are suicidal and depressed, that means you need professional help, not a bottle of pills

This isn't helpful or charitable. I cannot believe that the Lord would respond in such a nasty way to someone who has suffered. No wonder they feel driven out of the religion. Lord, have mercy on your servants for we know not what we do.

 

[Prestor John]

This isn't helpful or charitable. I cannot believe that the Lord would respond in such a nasty way to someone who has suffered. No wonder they feel driven out of the religion. Lord, have mercy on your servants for we know not what we do.

Care to actually back up anything you say with at least one example?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Care to actually back up anything you say with at least one example?

Your uncharitable attitude, ignorance of medicine and science, presuming to know a person better than they know themselves and branding them as delusional just because you don't understand something.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Now imagine suffering that pain for everyone who has ever gotten their tongue pierced. Stack that up cumulatively.

That still wouldn't be close to what our Lord and Savior had to suffer.

He didn't suffer that much. If Muhammad Alli takes a punch from man, it won't hurt Alli that much. But if that same man punches a child, it's going to hurt the child much more. Jesus' suffering is more the Alli being punched by the man, rather than the child.

Actually, it was He Himself who promised His own Resurrection

Which is one of the reasons that make it less convincing his suffering was that bad.

I find your comment that the infinite pain and ignominious death that He suffered in both Gethsemane and Calvary to be in bad taste and shared in ignorance.

I just don't find it impressive to say an immortal who was tortured, executed, and resurrected is someone who suffered. He had a lousy weekend. 2000 years ago. And not only that, there are far worse methods of torture/execution than what Christ went through.

Well, the story of Prometheus describes him suffering for his own sin, not for the sins of others.

Actually, he does suffer for the sake of others. And not just one a long time ago, but each and every day.

It is my belief that your contentment is a lie and will not last. I think pointing out that these feelings only come to your when you take medications is evidence of that.

That's like saying someone who is schizophrenic doesn't truly get better when they are taking medications, with taking medications being proof of that.
And, you can believe what you want. But, facts are, I've never been happier.

Inner peace cannot be found that way.

For people who have gender dysphoria, inner peace is found that way.

Then why did you never commit suicide?

I actually did attempt once.

How can you think this when you wished you were never born?

I used to wish that. It's been awhile since I have though.

What do you mean by “trying” to be a guy?

Is there a model or instruction manual somewhere for how to be a male?

It means just that. Of course there is no "correct way" of being a man or woman, but filling male gender roles, being acknowledged and expected to behave as male, and all that masculine stuff.

If you are suicidal and depressed, that means you need professional help, not a bottle of pills

I was suicidal and depress. I did get help. Even my primary care physician supports my transition and the use of medications, and she even sometimes will ask me a question so she can better help her other patients who are trans.
And not only that, everyone who has known for over a year, including those who have only known me online, have noticed a tremendous improvement in my mood. I more relaxed and laid back, smiles and giggles come easier, I'm more playful and chatty, I've gained self-esteem and confidence, and for once there is life in my eyes instead of hollows stares of agony.

I understand how living in a fantasy can make someone feel good.

Living in a fantasy is what I do for a couple days out of the month when I dress up as a dark elf and pretend to be a medieval fantasy world.
Being a woman, however, that is not a fantasy. My brain is structured more like a woman's,

I find this little piece of drama to be dishonest.

Nope. All real and honest.

You either have a penis or you don’t. You either are a man or you are not.

And I am not a man.

 

[Prestor John]

I asked you for examples and you again make vague assertions.

Your uncharitable attitude

Would you mind referencing exactly what I have said that led you to conclude that I have an "uncharitable attitude."

I told Shadow Wolf that I would share my opinions plainly and bluntly.

Is it your opinion that not agreeing with someone or criticizing their comments makes someone "uncharitable"?

ignorance of medicine and science

Would you mind referencing exactly what I have said that led you to conclude that I am "ignorant" of anything at all?

Basic biology confirms that there are only the two sexes, male and female, and that these sexes have specific physical primary and secondary sexual characteristics.

Males have XY chromosomes and will forever have XY chromosomes. It does not matter what hormones a male takes or what elected mutilations a male undergoes, they will also be a male.

There are no facts that dispute these things.

presuming to know a person better than they know themselves

I claimed that the Lord Jesus Christ knows us than we know ourselves. Not that I knew anyone more than they know themselves.

I gave my opinion about Shadow Wolf based on the comments he made, but I never made any claim to having special knowledge of him.

branding them as delusional just because you don't understand something.

Actually, it was Shadow Wolf that explained that he was experiencing gender dysphoria. I did not "brand" him anything. He freely shared it.

He also mentioned experiencing depression and thoughts of suicide which coincide with gender dysphoria.

Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder. Those who have been diagnosed with it suffer from the delusion that they are or should be a member of the opposite sex which are usually coupled with depression and suicidal thoughts.

I don't see where I "branded" anyone anything or see what I supposedly don't understand.

Perhaps you could try to back up your claims again with specific examples?

 

[Liu]

Basic biology confirms that there are only the two sexes, male and female, and that these sexes have specific physical primary and secondary sexual characteristics.

Males have XY chromosomes and will forever have XY chromosomes. It does not matter what hormones a male takes or what elected mutilations a male undergoes, they will also be a male.

There are no facts that dispute these things.

Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder. Those who have been diagnosed with it suffer from the delusion that they are or should be a member of the opposite sex which are usually coupled with depression and suicidal thoughts.

Let me help clarifying this a bit: The scientific facts which were alluded to here is that there are studies which show that female to male transgenders have a brain structure more closely resembling that of a typical male, and male to female transgenders have a brain structure more closely resembling that of a typical female.
This is assumed to be caused by us having been in contact with the wrong hormones during part of our development in our mother's womb.

In other words, gender dysphoria is not caused by any kind of mental disorder that could be treated with medicine like e.g. shizophrenia. But by the fact that the subconscious of us (and thereby what you might call our souls) is of a different 'sex' than our bodies, which leads to depressions.
And since the 'sex' of the brain or subconscious cannot really be changed, but the sex of the body can be modified, it's the latter which is normally done to help us transpeople.

Whether you consider e.g. a transfemale to be female or male, depends therefore on which aspect of her you consider to be deciding. You said

You either have a penis or you don’t. You either are a man or you are not.

That would be one category - would you therefore consider a male to female transgender female if she got her penis surgically changed into a clitoris? Would you consider a female to male transgender male if his clitoris has grown and/or been surgically changed in such a way that it resembles a penis?
And what about intersexuals? If someone is born with a combination of sexual organs, are they then male or female?

Therefore, we normally rather go by whether someone considers themselves male or female or neither since that takes into account the person, and not their body.

 

[Prestor John]

Explain how Eve gets the rule wrong when talking to the lizard. God can't even make the very first couple of rules period clear.

There was no “rule” against Eve speaking with the serpent.

The only two commandments that the Lord had given at the time were to not eat of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge and to procreate.

Entering into mortality upon eating the fruit was not a “punishment” but rather a “consequence of action.”

Adam and Eve partaking of the fruit had always been a part of God’s plan for His children.

And some of His children's perfection involves having a broader concept of gender.

That is not how perfection works.

There is only the one way to reach perfection. There are not multiple types of perfection. You either are perfect or you are not.

Denying the reality of one’s gender does not lead to perfection. No one can become perfect while relying on delusion.

God created only the two genders in the Garden and those are the same two genders that have existed throughout all of human history.

Even Jesus had to take a poop. Believing in himself didn't change that.

My mention of the weakness in our flesh was in reference to our desire to commit sin not to the natural processes of our mortal bodies.

Pay attention.

Or those who are claiming to be authorized, as there is no heavenly certification board we can call about it or anything.

There are methods to test to see if someone is the Lord’s servant or not. The Bible mentions a few.

My process is to compare their words and actions to the scriptures and then to pray about them. I ask God if they are true servants and if what they teach is the truth.

If sought in humility and asked with sincerity, the Holy Spirit will either confirm or deny they are true servants.

You can actually measure the hormones in the brain and the genitals and see if they coincide, though.

Neither of those things determine the gender of an individual.

It's not just people fancying themselves the other gender.

It is people suffering from a mental disorder.

The Church is not authorized by Webster.

Webster agrees with the Church’s use of those two words.

Gender - Definition of GENDER

The link to “Sex” can be found in the definition of “Gender” because they are synonymous.

Just in case clicking on the link proves too difficult for you:

Sex- Sex - Definition of SEX

But since it's clearly false ...

Neither you or anyone else in the world has proven it to be false.

Webster sure didn’t.

Not sure Jesus agrees. Not only is there Matt 19:12, but there isn't even marriage in heaven, as we will all be gender neutral anyway.

“For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.” (Matthew 19:!2)

A “eunuch” is not a “gender” or “sex” or a “woman”. It is simply a castrated man. Either they were born that way or men did it to them. They were still considered men.

Where in the scriptures does it claim that inheritors of Heaven will be gender-neutral?

Why would you assume that there being no marriages made in Heaven means that everyone would be gender-neutral?

Explain this to me.

Anyways, both God and science have made it very easy to identify a man or a woman. Men have both an Y and X chromosome and women have two X chromosomes.

All physical characteristics can be altered, but you cannot change your genetics.

 

[Liu]

A “eunuch” is not a “gender” or “sex” or a “woman”. It is simply a castrated man. Either they were born that way or men did it to them. They were still considered men.

Not all cultures consider eunuchs men. And even without considering such physical changes, many cultures have more than 2 concepts of gender, e.g. the third gender of hijras in India, which consists mostly of transwomen.

Anyways, both God and science have made it very easy to identify a man or a woman. Men have both an Y and X chromosome and women have two X chromosomes.

All physical characteristics can be altered, but you cannot change your genetics.

Why would anyone be interested in which chromosomes one has, except for medical reasons? It's nothing you can see when you look at a person, so it's very impractical for deciding in every day life on how to refer to a person.
The only things one can see directly is one's bodily characteristics, and one's clothes, and those can both be changed.

Also, there are also people with other chromosome combinations (e.g. xxy or x). Chromosome anomaly is much more common than transsexuality.

Btw, I noticed now that I didn't mention your name in my previous reply to you; you may have overlooked my comment due to that.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't see where I "branded" anyone anything or see what I supposedly don't understand.

You're trying to brand me as having a mental disorder over who I was in the past and how I was then, and you are also branding me as someone I am not. You might as well call me a thief today because I was about 10 years ago, despite the fact I've not stolen anything since I pulled myself out of that emotional black hole I was stuck in. Or call me an inventory auditor, even though it's been several years since I've done that job.
Or, I could call you an immature child over the terms and labels you are using, and, because, after all, craping your pants means you aren't taking care of yourself (or have some sort of disorder), and I know for a fact you've done it many, many times.
Or I could just start calling you "her." But I'm not that childish or petty.

 

[Erebus]

Would you mind referencing exactly what I have said that led you to conclude that I have an "uncharitable attitude."

Ooh, let me!

Then why did you never commit suicide?

I find this little piece of drama to be dishonest.

That right there? That was a **** move. Not only that, it's actually dangerous. You don't know who's on the other side of the monitor, what their state of mind is or what they may have been through.

Uncharitable attitude doesn't bloody cut it. You just don't ask somebody that, especially not on a public forum.

 

[Prestor John]

That right there? That was a **** move. Not only that, it's actually dangerous. You don't know who's on the other side of the monitor, what their state of mind is or what they may have been through.

Uncharitable attitude doesn't bloody cut it. You just don't ask somebody that, especially not on a public forum.

Calling someone out on their BS makes a person "uncharitable"?

Wouldn't you then be "uncharitable" for trying to point that out?

And around and around we go until no one can say anything because of the fear of being considered "uncharitable."

No.

I believe calling someone out on their BS is a charitable thing to do.

 

[SomeRandom]

Calling someone out on their BS makes a person "uncharitable"?

Wouldn't you then be "uncharitable" for trying to point that out?

And around and around we go until no one can say anything because of the fear of being considered "uncharitable."

No.

I believe calling someone out on their BS is a charitable thing to do.

You consider it charitable to ask a stranger why they didn't commit suicide?
That's deplorable!! At least phrase the question with a little more tact. Geez, there is a difference between bluntness and outright insensitive rudeness.

 

[Prestor John]

You consider it charitable to ask a stranger why they didn't commit suicide?
That's deplorable!! At least phrase the question with a little more tact. Geez, there is a difference between bluntness and outright insensitive rudeness.

Shadow Wolf began his conversation with me by being just as blunt or "insensitive" and "rude" so I saw no reason to apply much if any tact.

It was he who volunteered that information. It was he who wanted to mention how unstable he is while also claiming not to have a mental disorder.

Why is he allowed to say whatever he wants about me and my personal beliefs but I have to hold his hand?

Why must anyone have to apply such filters in this online setting?

I don't see any reason to coddle him especially when he felt no need to do so to me and he was the one who independently brought it up in the first place.

 

[Liu]

I believe calling someone out on their BS is a charitable thing to do.

I already explained to you why it is no BS, but you seem to have ignored my replies.

Or which kind of BS is it you were refering to?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Why is he allowed to say whatever he wants about me and my personal beliefs but I have to hold his hand?

Well, firstly, I never made any personal comments about you, and I have kept them exclusively aimed at my former church, and then moved onto what the Bible itself says. I've said nothing personal against you. You, on the other hand, have went out of your way to throw out a barrage of insults and personal comments.
And I bet you love holding my girly-soft hands, don't you?

Calling someone out on their BS makes a person "uncharitable"?

That isn't just uncharitable, it's the kind of behavior that embarrasses the hell out of your own god and messiah. You have made light of my miseries and sufferings, you have called my attempted suicide "BS" and asked me why I didn't. It's basically the exact opposite of the examples Jesus left you to live by. Again, this are things that come straight from the Bible itself.

 

[SomeRandom]

Shadow Wolf began his conversation with me by being just as blunt or "insensitive" and "rude" so I saw no reason to apply much if any tact.

It was he who volunteered that information. It was he who wanted to mention how unstable he is while also claiming not to have a mental disorder.

Why is he allowed to say whatever he wants about me and my personal beliefs but I have to hold his hand?

Why must anyone have to apply such filters in this online setting?

I don't see any reason to coddle him especially when he felt no need to do so to me and he was the one who independently brought it up in the first place.

That question (why didn't you commit suicide) is, regardless of context, deplorable to ask a person. Because it is not only rude, it is quite frankly, irresponsible. You don't know what that can do to a person. That is insensitive and not exactly unknown. We're all aware of this. Like damn, I learnt this in freaking primary school for god's sake. And I went to a crummy public school in a conservative state, back in like the 80s/90s.
That specific question has been out of polite society since before I was born. Because it can, and has, caused people to "go off the edge" as it were. Seriously, mate catch the hell up. And Shadow Wolf made generic remarks about your faith, not you as a person. You're the one who made it personal.
Polite society (including Christianity for the most part) sees such actions as despicable. You didn't even bother to phrase it with tact. As the kids say these days, smh.

 

[Mister Silver]

I voted other because I am non-religious; as for the explanation, since atheism is not a formal belief system, but rather merely refers to one's lack of belief in god(s), there is no reason for me as an atheist to believe there is anything wrong with trans people.