Are you an atheist? if so, What is your POV about God?

[Shad]

I disagree. A conclusion is made *about* an experience.

Conclusions are always made regarding experiences. Otherwise people would just say I experienced "something". Not I experience hunger, god, an itch, etc

 

[Sonofason]

Would you be agnostic to other gods that actually exist?

Would your lack of experience of them proove they dont exist?

That, and the bible isnt a universal source of truth about other cultures and how they see their gods. Finding the truth is to go out of your source of truth and view it from theirs since, well, they know more about their beliefs and definitions than the Hebrews amd Romans who wrote the Bible and decided what books are inspired.

So maybe if not agnostic, maybe youre an atheist to other gods?

I believe that one God exists. And because of the nature of the God that exists, and because my God has declared that no other gods exist, I believe that no other gods exist. I am an atheist with regard to all other gods. There is only one God. There can be only one God.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That and electrodes create different feelings all the time. People with seizures, for example, some of us have specific experiences say a de ja vu feeling just because that part of the brain neurons misfired. When you @Sonofason and others experience love there are parts of the brain that stimulate emotions etc that we interpret as love.

God is no different. Unless you have experienced something unique to humans you and believers (like myself) experience the same results of neurons stimulating the brain in specific areas that we define comes from god, spirits, or so have you. If you had no means of language and thought, then no one would know those experiences say feeling of synchronicity is from god or not. It's not apparent in and of itself. God experiences are from the human experience not the other way around.

There's nothing wrong with that. Just basic psychology.

 

[Sonofason]

Piggy backing. Unless its your yard, Id assume she knows more about her own yard than anyone else. If she knows what she grown in her garden and you tell her something else, she would not just disbelieve you but say you are lying.

So you are unwilling to look at the map. That is very telling of your bias to the existence of God.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

@Monk Of Reason

Very well articulated.

 

[Sonofason]

No you have a claim millions of others have made. None have shown their claim to be real.



Your research is biased, subjective, not controlled, done by a layman and undocumented. Your claims are irrelevant just as your "research"

Actually, many claims are documented. The Bible is full of documented claims. There exist millions of other documented claims. Many people have followed God's plan, a well documented set of procedures of how a man can experience God, and followed it, and as a result have experienced God for themselves. So you are wrong. My research is not biased any more than any other scientific research. It is as objective as any other scientific research, and it is controlled as any other controlled scientific research. The fact is, you don't need a degree in science to do the research. You don't need a degree in science to document your research. You don't need a science degree to see that the research is on solid ground. well documented, and true.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Very well articulated.

Not to just jump in but on the conversation as a whole you two have been going on I feel it needs to be said that experiences are simply new information. The experience itself jumbles us with out of context information and we then formulate context by interpreting the information. After we are able to interpret the information we can come to a conclusion about the experience. But its still an exoteric reception of information. People often get the wrong conclusion about what really happened depending on the circumstances. I personally think that if we are given the wrong tools to interpret things we will almost always come to a false conclusion.

The "god" experience most people have is no extraordinary experience but rather a mundane one that they have interpreted incorrectly because they use the wrong tools to interpret them.

 

[Shad]

I believe that one God exists. And because of the nature of the God that exists, and because my God has declared that no other gods exist, I believe that no other gods exist. I am an atheist with regard to all other gods. There is only one God. There can be only one God.

Opinion, nothing more.

Actually, many claims are documented. The Bible is full of documented claims. There exist millions of other documented claims. Many people have followed God's plan, a well documented set of procedures of how a man can experience God, and followed it, and as a result have experienced God for themselves. So you are wrong. My research is not biased any more than any other scientific research. It is as objective as any other scientific research, and it is controlled as any other controlled scientific research. The fact is, you don't need a degree in science to do the research. You don't need a degree in science to document your research. You don't need a science degree to see that the research is on solid ground. well documented, and true.

Your research is not which was my point. Your hearsay is irrelevant.

The Bible's claims have been shows a number of times to be fictional. Does Tyre still exist? Found evidence of the Hebrews in Egypt yet? Besides the Bible is still a subjective book not objective. It was not written by those that experienced it but decades to centuries later. There is no external confirmation of these experiences, no control group, nothing that has a standard. Seems like you may need to understand research standards as you have none. Try again.

The Bible is true cause the Bible says it true. Lovely circular reasoning you have.

The Quran and other holy texts can be claimed to be "research" like the Bible. Horrible research. This is why experiences of God are laughable.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

So you are unwilling to look at the map. That is very telling of your bias to the existence of God.

The Map is how we know about psychology (anthropology, archaeology, theology) etc and how humans find ways to adapt to their environment and people in it. Maps can range from stories about the origin of the earth. (Say the different stories of African traditions on earth and human creation: Orixas create the universe (teaser video about African traditions and creation stories) to observations about the human experience with ourselves (psychology) and others (sociology).

We create maps everyday. Experiences aren't bad in and of themselves. We can attribute synchronicity, de ja vue, etc experiences to gods and spirits all we want and it does help making it personal and relating it to what we follow; but, if you strip all of the interpretations out, we are all humans with the same capacity and neurons and brain to experience the same thing all over the globe.

As a result, I concluded that god is life. Everything we experience, know of, and interpret is god.

God is the experiences of how you, for example, say...

Your sister gets into an car accident. She is in critical condition. You pray and pray. Doctors are trying to help her out as much as they can. They say that the car crash, the stirring wheel, puncher her kidneys. And so forth....

Then, by god revelation, your prayers were answered. One day a doctor you haven't seen in years comes and tests her. Now she is in good health. You prayed for divine intervention for weeks. Then your family who you have bad relations with come up with money for the doctors bills. Then your family slowly comes together...

and you attribute these incidences as revelations and actions from god. There is nothing wrong with that. If someone knew nothing about god and was a psychiatrist, sociologist, etc. they'd tell you that it's normal to attribute what you do (pray) edit to create an action to help you in life.

That doesn't mean it's a revelation from god it's just that's how you survive and find connection with yourself, the world, and people you care for, you interpret those experiences to an outside resource because you think as many believers do, you're incapable of doing so yourself. (edit I just rephrased what I deleted)

It's very human to do that. The neurons in the brain cause many emotions. There is nothing alien in our brains even if we haven't found out everything about it. Epilepsy (seizure disorder) has yet to have a cure. We experience everything from minor hallucinations to de ja vu so strong believers attribute it as miracles from god. There's a study that says people with Temporal Lobe Epilepsy (which I have) have more chance of having supernatural experiences (experiences we can't explain and attribute to a divine source) than people with other seizures that don't originate in the sensory part of the brain. I'd have to find the article but it was in my doctor's office when I read it.

The one of many minor reasons for saying "I have bias" is that these experiences you have are very very personal. My grandmother saved my life and she has physically passed about three years ago and it still feels like yesterday. I get dreams and messages that I would never have attribute it to psychology etc but if I looked at the bare bones, that is exactly what it is.

Unless we experience something that is unique or foreign to the general human experience, everything we experience from god to spirits are from us not the other way around.

There is nothing wrong to say it's the other way around. I say my grandmothers help me and kept me from being hit by a car because that is what I believe and interpret. That's how I interpret as fact. Unless it goes beyond experiences and it's universal (every single persons on earth can experience this), it's just my experience.

Numbers mean nothing. It comes from us. Once I understood that, I feel more free in what I experience from the spirits and how I interpret what I experience. It's not supernatural. I never believed in the supernatural. I believed in real spirits all my life. I just know how the brain works more to share how my experiences are real rather than saying an outside party created it.

In other words, I stopped putting the show on someone else and took responsibility and acknowledge that my experiences and beliefs are from me. It's not egotism or anything. It's just being honest that we are not special.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I hope you read all this @Sonofason you don't have to reply to all of it, though.

 

[McBell]

My believe in God is substantiated. I have substantiated it. Is that okay with you? I mean, it's not like you have a choice in substantiating my beliefs. They are mine to substantiate. And I surely don't have to substantiate them for you for them to be substantiated by me.

I find your hypocrisy disgusting.

 

[Sonofason]

Opinion, nothing more.



Your research is not which was my point. Your hearsay is irrelevant.

The Bible's claims have been shows a number of times to be fictional. Does Tyre still exist? Found evidence of the Hebrews in Egypt yet? Besides the Bible is still a subjective book not objective. It was not written by those that experienced it but decades to centuries later. There is no external confirmation of these experiences, no control group, nothing that has a standard. Seems like you may need to understand research standards as you have none. Try again.

The Bible is true cause the Bible says it true. Lovely circular reasoning you have.

The Quran and other holy texts can be claimed to be "research" like the Bible. Horrible research. This is why experiences of God are laughable.

I would stake my life, and yours for that matter, on my opinions before I would stake my life or yours on your facts.

 

[Shad]

I would stake my life, and yours for that matter, on my opinions before I would stake my life or yours on your facts.

Irrelevant tripe and opinion, nothing more.

Nice how you include my life as if you have the right to include my life in your tripe. Great grandstanding, you can come off your shoe box now.

 

[Sonofason]

The Map is how we know about psychology (anthropology, archaeology, theology) etc and how humans find ways to adapt to their environment and people in it. Maps can range from stories about the origin of the earth. (Say the different stories of African traditions on earth and human creation: Orixas create the universe (teaser video about African traditions and creation stories) to observations about the human experience with ourselves (psychology) and others (sociology).

We create maps everyday. Experiences aren't bad in and of themselves. We can attribute synchronicity, de ja vue, etc experiences to gods and spirits all we want and it does help making it personal and relating it to what we follow; but, if you strip all of the interpretations out, we are all humans with the same capacity and neurons and brain to experience the same thing all over the globe.

As a result, I concluded that god is life. Everything we experience, know of, and interpret is god.

God is the experiences of how you, for example, say...

Your sister gets into an car accident. She is in critical condition. You pray and pray. Doctors are trying to help her out as much as they can. They say that the car crash, the stirring wheel, puncher her kidneys. And so forth....

Then, by god revelation, your prayers were answered. One day a doctor you haven't seen in years comes and tests her. Now she is in good health. You prayed for divine intervention for weeks. Then your family who you have bad relations with come up with money for the doctors bills. Then your family slowly comes together...

and you attribute these incidences as revelations and actions from god. There is nothing wrong with that. If someone knew nothing about god and was a psychiatrist, sociologist, etc. they'd tell you that it's normal to attribute what you do (pray) edit to create an action to help you in life.

That doesn't mean it's a revelation from god it's just that's how you survive and find connection with yourself, the world, and people you care for, you interpret those experiences to an outside resource because you think as many believers do, you're incapable of doing so yourself. (edit I just rephrased what I deleted)

It's very human to do that. The neurons in the brain cause many emotions. There is nothing alien in our brains even if we haven't found out everything about it. Epilepsy (seizure disorder) has yet to have a cure. We experience everything from minor hallucinations to de ja vu so strong believers attribute it as miracles from god. There's a study that says people with Temporal Lobe Epilepsy (which I have) have more chance of having supernatural experiences (experiences we can't explain and attribute to a divine source) than people with other seizures that don't originate in the sensory part of the brain. I'd have to find the article but it was in my doctor's office when I read it.

The one of many minor reasons for saying "I have bias" is that these experiences you have are very very personal. My grandmother saved my life and she has physically passed about three years ago and it still feels like yesterday. I get dreams and messages that I would never have attribute it to psychology etc but if I looked at the bare bones, that is exactly what it is.

Unless we experience something that is unique or foreign to the general human experience, everything we experience from god to spirits are from us not the other way around.

There is nothing wrong to say it's the other way around. I say my grandmothers help me and kept me from being hit by a car because that is what I believe and interpret. That's how I interpret as fact. Unless it goes beyond experiences and it's universal (every single persons on earth can experience this), it's just my experience.

Numbers mean nothing. It comes from us. Once I understood that, I feel more free in what I experience from the spirits and how I interpret what I experience. It's not supernatural. I never believed in the supernatural. I believed in real spirits all my life. I just know how the brain works more to share how my experiences are real rather than saying an outside party created it.

In other words, I stopped putting the show on someone else and took responsibility and acknowledge that my experiences and beliefs are from me. It's not egotism or anything. It's just being honest that we are not special.

I believe that all of our experiences originate from outside ourselves. Yes, even dreams. You seem to be suggesting that some experiences originate from within ourselves. disagree.

 

[Sonofason]

I find your hypocrisy disgusting.

And for that I know I've done something right.

 

[McBell]

And for that I know I've done something right.

Interesting that you are so proud of your hypocrisy.
Even with Jesus being so against it.

 

[Sonofason]

Irrelevant tripe and opinion, nothing more.

Nice how you include my life as if you have the right to include my life in your tripe. Great grandstanding, you can come off your shoe box now.

Well, the truth is that the political decisions we make affect everyone. The moral decisions we make also very often affect a great many other people. So I feel justified in including your life in my world view. I think it is appropriate.

 

[Sonofason]

Interesting that you are so proud of your hypocrisy.
Even with Jesus being so against it.

No, I didn't admit to hypocrisy. I've only admitted that you believe I have been hypocritical. And for that I am indeed very proud.

 

[McBell]

No, I didn't admit to hypocrisy. I've only admitted that you believe I have been hypocritical. And for that I am indeed very proud.

you do not have to admit to your hypocrisy.
It is right here for all to see.

Now since you are not interested in honest discussion, I shall leave you to wallow in your pigeon victory.

 

[Shad]

Well, the truth is that the political decisions we make affect everyone.

Your opinion is not a political decision.

The moral decisions we make also very often affect a great many other people. So I feel justified in including your life in my world view. I think it is appropriate.

I was not talking about morals. You have changed the subject completely as a dodge.

Your opinion is not justification nor more than a racist opinion of blacks is a justification. Everyone has a worldview.... So what...