Are you an atheist? if so, What is your POV about God?

[Sonofason]

If it makes a noise, despite being invisible, or interacts in any other sensible way, it's there. Else, I have no reason to believe it.

If the invisible elephant spirit in your room does not make a noise, and does not interact with you at all, do you have sufficient evidence to believe that it is not there?

You say there is no reason to believe it is there, except that there is a claim that it is there. If you believe it is not there, then you have to dismiss the claim that it is there. Are you suggesting that if you cannot see it, and hear it that the person who made the claim is a liar? What evidence do you have that the claim is a lie?

 

[McBell]

If the invisible elephant spirit in your room does not make a noise, and does not interact with you at all, do you have sufficient evidence to believe that it is not there?

You say there is no reason to believe it is there, except that there is a claim that it is there. If you believe it is not there, then you have to dismiss the claim that it is there. Are you suggesting that if you cannot see it, and hear it that the person who made the claim is a liar? What evidence do you have that the claim is a lie?

I do not have to disprove the existence of something to not believe it exists.

 

[Sonofason]

It's not like belief is a choice.

If I told you there was a beautiful one of a kind flower growing in your back yard, would you believe me? I saw it, and I promise you it's there. What if I were to draw you a map showing you where to find this flower, would you believe me? At this moment, if you do not go outside and look, you may not believe me, and you would be right that we do not choose what we believe. You can stay in your house believing that there is no special flower in your backyard because you haven't seen any evidence that such a flower exists in your backyard, or you can take the map I gave you and go look for it. When you find it, you will know that I was right. But you have to get off your *** and do something.

 

[Sonofason]

That is moving the goalposts from looking at dreams to looking at the brain.

Sorry, dreams are the result of real things happening. I need not move goalposts. But you do need to broaden your perspective.

 

[Sonofason]

Experiences can be misinterpreted and the conclusions based upon can be wrong. You have no way to confirm your experience nor conclusion.

No I am simply saying an experience you have that you have no way to confirm externally is us. While the Sun is not an internal experience only unique to you and can be confirmed.

I most certainly do have a means to confirm my experiences. Millions of people have experienced God. A short conversation with them reveals the truth of the matter.

 

[McBell]

I most certainly do have a means to confirm my experiences. Millions of people have experienced God. A short conversation with them reveals the truth of the matter.

appeal to numbers does not prove anything

 

[Sonofason]

I do not have to disprove the existence of something to not believe it exists.

If you desire to have a legitimate substantiated belief, you sure do.

 

[McBell]

If you desire to have a legitimate substantiated belief, you sure do.

No, I do not.
I am not claiming your god does not exist.
I am merely stating the fact that I do not believe your god exists.
The reason I do not believe your god exists is because I have never been presented any evidence that convinces me your god exists.

How many gods do you believe in?
All of them?
No?
Please be so kind as to disprove the ones you do not believe in.


And I sincerely hope your "proof" isn't merely "god said he is the only one", be cause that would be hearsay, not proof.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

If I told you there was a beautiful one of a kind flower growing in your back yard, would you believe me? I saw it, and I promise you it's there. What if I were to draw you a map showing you where to find this flower, would you believe me? At this moment, if you do not go outside and look, you may not believe me, and you would be right that we do not choose what we believe. You can stay in your house believing that there is no special flower in your backyard because you haven't seen any evidence that such a flower exists in your backyard, or you can take the map I gave you and go look for it. When you find it, you will know that I was right. But you have to get off your *** and do something.

My first thought would actually be, "What the hell are you doing in my yard?".

I most certainly do have a means to confirm my experiences. Millions of people have experienced God. A short conversation with them reveals the truth of the matter.

There is also evidence that with some external stimulation to your brain, I can make you experience whatever I want. I might be a theist, but that doesn't help your case much.

 

[Sonofason]

No, I do not.
I am not claiming your god does not exist.
I am merely stating the fact that I do not believe your god exists.
The reason I do not believe your god exists is because I have never been presented any evidence that convinces me your god exists.

How many gods do you believe in?
All of them?
No?
Please be so kind as to disprove the ones you do not believe in.


And I sincerely hope your "proof" isn't merely "god said he is the only one", be cause that would be hearsay, not proof.

You say you do not believe in God, and at the same time you say you do not believe that God does not exist. That sounds somewhat oxymoronic to me. Why do you not just admit that you don't know if God exists. I will tell you. You either know God exists, hate him and therefore spitefully deny to His face that He does not exist, or you actually believe that God does not exist because you haven't seen evidence that He does. And that position is unsubstantiated.

 

[Sonofason]

My first thought would actually be, "What the hell are you doing in my yard?".


There is also evidence that with some external stimulation to your brain, I can make you experience whatever I want. I might be a theist, but that doesn't help your case much.

So you are suggesting that you have electrodes connected to my brain that is causing me to have an experience that is the same kind of experience that one might experience when they are experiencing God? I am not surprised. If we are to experience God, then God actually has to have an affect on us. This means that God must do something physical to our bodies in order that we notice Him. And you are saying that scientists may have developed a means to stimulate the human mind in the same way that God does. That is not surprising, and does not diminish the experiences of God that people have, when they are not connected to those electrodes.

 

[McBell]

You say you do not believe in God, and at the same time you say you do not believe that God does not exist. That sounds somewhat oxymoronic to me. Why do you not just admit that you don't know if God exists. I will tell you. You either know God exists, hate him and therefore spitefully deny to His face that He does not exist, or you actually believe that God does not exist because you haven't seen evidence that He does. And that position is unsubstantiated.

I do not fall neatly into your false dichotomy.
That you cannot differentiate between them is your handicap, not mine.
That you fill in the blanks with whatever suits your fancy reveals your dishonesty, not mine.
I do flat out admit I do not know either way about the existence of god.
Thus I do not believe god exists nor do I believe god does not exist.
Your concern that my position is unsubstantiated is your problem, since I do not have one with it.

I do find it both curious and interesting that you ignore so much of the post you replied to:

How many gods do you believe in?
All of them?
No?
Please be so kind as to disprove the ones you do not believe in.


And I sincerely hope your "proof" isn't merely "god said he is the only one", be cause that would be hearsay, not proof.​

seems perhaps you are a feared to address it?
Just like the other you completely ignored?

Your pick and choose method of replies is most revealing.
Does make one wonder if you apply the same techniques to your beliefs...

 

[Sonofason]

I do not fall neatly into your false dichotomy.
That you cannot differentiate between them is your handicap, not mine.
That you fill in the blanks with whatever suits your fancy reveals your dishonesty, not mine.
I do flat out admit I do not know either way about the existence of god.
Thus I do not believe god exists nor do I believe god does not exist.
Your concern that my position is unsubstantiated is your problem, since I do not have one with it.

I do find it both curious and interesting that you ignore so much of the post you replied to:

How many gods do you believe in?
All of them?
No?
Please be so kind as to disprove the ones you do not believe in.


And I sincerely hope your "proof" isn't merely "god said he is the only one", be cause that would be hearsay, not proof.​

seems perhaps you are a feared to address it?
Just like the other you completely ignored?

Your pick and choose method of replies is most revealing.
Does make one wonder if you apply the same techniques to your beliefs...

It sounds to me that you are agnostic with regard to the existence of God. If this s true, then your statements above with regard to yourself are valid. An agnostic does not know if God exists. They do not know if God does not exist.

I believe in one God because I have experienced one God. Well, let me be clear...it seems to me that those experiences that I believe are experiences of God are all experiences of the same God. I suppose I could have experienced many gods. But it seems to me that my experience has been of one God. I cannot disprove the existence of other gods. I know that one God exists. I do not know of any others that exist. I have not experienced them to my knowledge.

Throughout history, it seems, some people have believed in the existence of many gods. I have some evidence to suggest that some of those supposed gods were not actually gods at all...not at least according to how I define what a god is. You can find reference to some of those god's in Genesis chapter 6. I believe these entities spoken of in Genesis explain the origin of all beliefs in other gods.

 

[Shad]

I most certainly do have a means to confirm my experiences. Millions of people have experienced God. A short conversation with them reveals the truth of the matter.

No you don't, you have a claim, nothing more. Product the subject that does not involve you direct about your experience. Produce the research. You have none of this as your experience is subjective as is your conclusion.

Millions of people have experiences of different gods from different religions which shows experiences of gods are unreliable. A conversation with them would result in nothing of value

 

[McBell]

It sounds to me that you are agnostic with regard to the existence of God. If this s true, then your statements above with regard to yourself are valid. An agnostic does not know if God exists. They do not know if God does not exist.

I believe in one God because I have experienced one God. Well, let me be clear...it seems to me that those experiences that I believe are experiences of God are all experiences of the same God. I suppose I could have experienced many gods. But it seems to me that my experience has been of one God. I cannot disprove the existence of other gods. I know that one God exists. I do not know of any others that exist. I have not experienced them to my knowledge.

Throughout history, it seems, some people have believed in the existence of many gods. I have some evidence to suggest that some of those supposed gods were not actually gods at all...not at least according to how I define what a god is. You can find reference to some of those god's in Genesis chapter 6. I believe these entities spoken of in Genesis explain the origin of all beliefs in other gods.

So your belief in only one god is unsubstantiated...
I do not have a problem with it.
Do you?
If not, then why do you have a problem with others having unsubstantiated beliefs concerning god?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It sounds to me that you are agnostic with regard to the existence of God. If this s true, then your statements above with regard to yourself are valid. An agnostic does not know if God exists. They do not know if God does not exist.

I believe in one God because I have experienced one God. Well, let me be clear...it seems to me that those experiences that I believe are experiences of God are all experiences of the same God. I suppose I could have experienced many gods. But it seems to me that my experience has been of one God. I cannot disprove the existence of other gods. I know that one God exists. I do not know of any others that exist. I have not experienced them to my knowledge.

Throughout history, it seems, some people have believed in the existence of many gods. I have some evidence to suggest that some of those supposed gods were not actually gods at all...not at least according to how I define what a god is. You can find reference to some of those god's in Genesis chapter 6. I believe these entities spoken of in Genesis explain the origin of all beliefs in other gods.

Would you be agnostic to other gods that actually exist?

Would your lack of experience of them proove they dont exist?

That, and the bible isnt a universal source of truth about other cultures and how they see their gods. Finding the truth is to go out of your source of truth and view it from theirs since, well, they know more about their beliefs and definitions than the Hebrews amd Romans who wrote the Bible and decided what books are inspired.

So maybe if not agnostic, maybe youre an atheist to other gods?

 

[Sonofason]

No you don't, you have a claim, nothing more. Product the subject that does not involve you direct about your experience. Produce the research. You have none of this as your experience is subjective as is your conclusion.

Millions of people have experiences of different gods from different religions which shows experiences of gods are unreliable. A conversation with them would result in nothing of value

I have a claim that I share with millions of people who make the same claim. When I talk to these people, I see that they have indeed experienced the same thing that I have. And so their experiences confirm for me that my experience may very well be what I think it is. I realize we could all be wrong. But I believe that all of us are right, and the few of you are wrong.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If I told you there was a beautiful one of a kind flower growing in your back yard, would you believe me? I saw it, and I promise you it's there. What if I were to draw you a map showing you where to find this flower, would you believe me? At this moment, if you do not go outside and look, you may not believe me, and you would be right that we do not choose what we believe. You can stay in your house believing that there is no special flower in your backyard because you haven't seen any evidence that such a flower exists in your backyard, or you can take the map I gave you and go look for it. When you find it, you will know that I was right. But you have to get off your *** and do something.

Piggy backing. Unless its your yard, Id assume she knows more about her own yard than anyone else. If she knows what she grown in her garden and you tell her something else, she would not just disbelieve you but say you are lying.

 

[Shad]

I have a claim that I share with millions of people who make the same claim.

No you have a claim millions of others have made. None have shown their claim to be real.

When I talk to these people, I see that they have indeed experienced the same thing that I have. And so their experiences confirm for me that my experience may very well be what I think it is. I realize we could all be wrong. But I believe that all of us are right, and the few of you are wrong.

Your research is biased, subjective, not controlled, done by a layman and undocumented. Your claims are irrelevant just as your "research"

 

[Sonofason]

So your belief in only one god is unsubstantiated...
I do not have a problem with it.
Do you?
If not, then why do you have a problem with others having unsubstantiated beliefs concerning god?

My believe in God is substantiated. I have substantiated it. Is that okay with you? I mean, it's not like you have a choice in substantiating my beliefs. They are mine to substantiate. And I surely don't have to substantiate them for you for them to be substantiated by me.