Are you an atheist? if so, What is your POV about God?

[Willamena]

Sonofason's posts from days ago. You can find it by following the chain of replies.

I've been following the conversation for days with interest. It would help if you could be specific about what you're talking about.

 

[Shad]

I've been following the conversation for days with interest. It would help if you could be specific about what you're talking about.

As I said before it was about the claim of an experience of God as objective fact rather than opinion.

 

[Willamena]

As I said before it was about the claim of an experience of God as objective fact rather than opinion.

And an experience of god is which?

 

[Shad]

And an experience of god is which?

Opinion thus subjective.

 

[Willamena]

Opinion thus subjective.

"Subjective" and "objective" are interpretations.

 

[`mud]

Did anyone notice that they're interpretations,
and are mostly different nearly all of the time,
to me.
And they're different from each other,
wow.....there's a lot of different people out there !
~
now about Trump !
~
'mud

 

[Shad]

"Subjective" and "objective" are interpretations.

Not true nor applicable to the example.

 

[Willamena]

Not true nor applicable to the example.

They are concepts, descriptive of reality, about reality... but our words and concepts do not capture reality, they are not themselves the reality they purport. They are interpretation.

Experience happens before the interpretation, even (especially) the experience of god. Arguing against the interpretation, however logically, doesn't deny the experience.

 

[Shad]

They are concepts, descriptive of reality, about reality... but our words and concepts do not capture reality, they are not themselves the reality they purport. They are interpretation.

This is perception thus subjective. However we can and have developed objective standards such as iron is iron 100% of the time. There is no acceptance of a perception that iron is actually copper.

Experience happens before the interpretation, even (especially) the experience of god. Arguing against the interpretation, however logically, doesn't deny the experience.

As I said the conclusion is part of the experience claimed by Sonofason. Your point is irrelevant as you are ignoring the points I made regarding the conclusion. An experience without an conclusion is also irrelevant

 

[Segev Moran]

A concept developed from methods used by religions as per philosophy of religion to build a worldview. Deism is just unorthodox in it's methods

So God is a religious concept rather than a spiritual concept?
(Just trying to understand you terminology)

 

[`mud]

When someone I know, that's an atheist,
"first question"
'What religion were you ?'
unless you had wolves for parents !
or a unicorn ?
or a grandmother !
~
'mud

 

[Aupmanyav]

If you're looking for hard proof, then heaven is not for you.

Who is looking for heaven. Keep your candy to yourself.

 

[Shad]

So God is a religious concept rather than a spiritual concept?

Spiritual concepts are part of spiritualism which is a theory of religion (philosophy of religion)

(Just trying to understand you terminology)

No problem.

It's not mine at all but from philosophy of religion

 

[McBell]

So God is a religious concept rather than a spiritual concept?
(Just trying to understand you terminology)

What is the difference?
Between religious concept and spiritual concept.

 

[Segev Moran]

Spiritual concepts are part of spiritualism which is a theory of religion (philosophy of religion)




No problem.

It's not mine at all but from philosophy of religion

So it is not possible saying one is spiritual yet not practicing any religion?

 

[Segev Moran]

What is the difference?
Between religious concept and spiritual concept.

As I see it, I can believe I have a spirit, but I practice no religion.
A Spirit is not necessarily related to a God.
For example, I Can believe that Ghosts are spirits of dead people.
Religion, Is a set of rules and behaviors that are based on spiritual beliefs

 

[McBell]

As I see it, I can believe I have a spirit, but I practice no religion.
A Spirit is not necessarily related to a God.
For example, I Can believe that Ghosts are spirits of dead people.
Religion, Is a set of rules and behaviors that are based on spiritual beliefs

you will need to define both.
Your reply does nothing to clear up the difference to an outsider.

 

[Shad]

So it is not possible saying one is spiritual yet not practicing any religion?

Religious concept does not mean a religion's concept as in Christianity, Islam, etc.. One can be spiritual without a religion but can not divorce spirituality from religious concepts it is part of.

 

[Milton Platt]

God is perfect. We are not perfect. We could be, but we choose not to be. God so loved us that he gave His Son to pay the debt for us that is preventing us from receiving an eternal life with our perfect God. And the only requirement for us is that we believe this is true.

That's not as easy as it sounds. First you have to acknowledge that you're a piece of garbage and need such an advocate as Christ. Then you have to come to terms with who Christ is. How can you believe that Christ has any power over your eternity if you do not believe He is God's Son? And then how can you possibly believe that God has a Son if you can't even admit that there is a god.

It's God's plan of salvation. We don't get the opportunity to decide whether or not it's fair. Believe it or not, it's your call.

Well, to pretend this is all true for a moment just for arguments sake......

1. Your perfect god could find not alternative to blood sacrifice to correct a system he himself instigated.
2. His sacrifice was ineffective because the death was not real. The sacrificial human rose from the dead, and therefore the death was not peermanent.
3. If you are trinitarian in belief (you may not be, Christians have a huge variation in what they choose to believe) then god sacrificed himself to himself.
4. You have absolutely nothing to convince others of this except just your own faith, which has no value to others whatsoever.

 

[santhu]

Atheists falls in to these categories 1. Knows everything (truth)about god 2 .Do not know anything about god/ they do not understand 3. Those who neglect matters of god...Unfortunately much percent of atheists fall under second type...they do not understand god.