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Are you for bringing back sacrifice in your religion?
- Thread starter Gnostic Seeker
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Speaking of agendas, are you suggesting the nine million witches who were burned is a lie!? How dare you disrespect my persecution complex!!
Speaking of agendas, are you suggesting the nine million witches who were burned is a lie!? How dare you disrespect my persecution complex!!
In that case, it's the defenders who are writing the numbers.
No, it goes to the Gods.
It means I edited that post, and letting you know so you can see it.
Okay. Still confused. I'm dense at times.
Depends on the tradition.
It's not wasted, because, everything else removed, it's biodegradable. It is consumed regardless, if not by us, then by other forms of life. It goes back to nature, regardless, and feeds life.
That's only wasteful for us if food is not in abundance.
It goes back to nature regardless of that sacrificial offering though, no?
Sees
Dragonslayer
What doesn't? If you are completely devoid of magical, supernatural, spiritual, etc. way of seeing, being, living...then it doesn't matter really. It's a thread about religious sacrifice afterall.
Out of curiosity, what about the same process without killing an animal? So as to offer to your gods without having to kill or destroy another living being?
It seems to me that
Exactly what I am inquiring of. If it just goes back to nature, how is this not vanity?
Vanity? Either you're using that word in a very unconventional manner, or that doesn't make a lick of sense. How does sacrifice in any way have anything to do with excessive pride in one's physical appearance? Totally not seeing it. Now, if you want to argue that a person fro-frooing up before worship by slathering on makeup crap is vanity, sure. But sacrifice? Nope. Not seeing it.
Sees
Dragonslayer
Every thing we gift, share, offer to others....whether Gods, gardens, parents, friends, lovers, pets....goes back to nature. What makes some in vain and not the others?
It's honoring the connections, relationships by sharing, giving something you could have, use, consume your own self with others. Doing this for/towards Gods, spirits, etc. won't make sense to some and that's OK. A lot of things you have to experience instead of explain.
It's honoring the connections, relationships by sharing, giving something you could have, use, consume your own self with others. Doing this for/towards Gods, spirits, etc. won't make sense to some and that's OK. A lot of things you have to experience instead of explain.
It does. All things do. The ritual is an element we bring to it, for our sake and the Gods'.
I share the others' confusion, because vanity is excessive pride in one's physical appearance.
The ritual element we bring to it allows us to make a connection that we otherwise wouldn't be able to make.
We cannot live at all without death. Ritually killing an animal for our consumption allows us to always remember that. Doing so without killing hides us from the cycle of life, death, and rebirth.
I've always fancied interpreting "original sin" in the Christian religion as the fact that the human animal is a consumer. Humans and other animals must kill to live. We don't produce our own energy, and we must take it from other organisms. Being mindful of our nature as killers is important, I think. That is part of what non-human animal sacrifice is all about, but we could (and perhaps should) also do this for anything that we consume, including plants.
It is the intent of offering to the Gods that matters. If I shoot a deer and leave its carcass to decompose in the forest, that is an affront to the Gods, the spirits of the land and the animal's spirit. That is not a sacrifice. If a deer is shot and brought to a consecrated area, offered to the Gods, to the people participating, and to the land, that is a sacrifice. It's all about intent.
Whether it's a wild boar, a chicken or a bowl of Raisin Bran, if the intent to share it is not present, it is not a sacrifice. Dumping on the ground is not a sacrifice. Barbecuing is a communal feast without the religious element, therefore it is not a sacrifice. You're forgetting that in many sacrifices, the animal is consumed in a communal feast, with part of it left for the land. The spirits of the land also partake of the sacrifice. If you're a vegetarian, you don't have to participate in the sacrifice. No one is dragged in chains. Btw, I'm also confused about what vanity has to do with anything here.
That's not the only form of animal sacrifice.
DrTCH
Member
Now cut that out!!!! ; )
BSM1
What? Me worry?
If anyone is looking for victims...er...volunteers, my neighbor has a dog that's just begging to be sacrificed.
joshua3886
Great Purple Hippo
How barbaric! Why take society back in time to an era when we thought that spitting on a wound would disinfect it or that women were to be literally treated as objects? There is a psychological reason why we need to leave those ancient rituals in the past. Humanity has matured to the age where we no longer need neurotic chanting to make us feel better. If you have guilt issues then go see a psychologist like a modern human being.