Are you pro-life or pro-choice?

[Spiderman]

I wasn't so much trying to start a big debate, just curious if the forum is more pro-life or pro-choice, so if you fill in the bubble that most applies to you, I appreciate it

It's really hard for me to answer this question, because while I think abortion is the killing of a human being, I wish I had been aborted and I can think of lots of other people that should have been aborted. I literally do not know whether I'm pro-life or pro-choice.

Sometimes abortion is evil and deprives the world of a decent human being. Other times abortion spares us some miserable **** without a Father figure, who would spread more misery. Sometimes abortion can spare a woman a lot of pain. Sometimes abortion can cause a woman a lifetime of pain and regret as well. It's complicated!

 

[Sunstone]

It's complicated!

Yup.

 

[Deathbydefault]

It's really hard for me to answer this question, because while I think abortion is the killing of a human being, I wish I had been aborted and I can think of lots of other people that should have been aborted.

I share the sentiment.

I literally do not know whether I'm pro-life or pro-choice.

Sometimes abortion is evil and deprives the world of a decent human being. Other times abortion spares us some miserable **** who would spread more misery. Sometimes abortion can spare a woman a lot of pain. Sometimes abortion can cause a woman a lifetime of pain and regret as well. It's complicated!

It's up to the woman. It's not amoral to call abortion self-defense when you look at the damage childbirth does.
Her body, her choice to take on the risks. Not my place to judge or question it.

 

[Kirran]

I couldn't answer. I am not totally clear where I am on it.

 

[Sunstone]

Abortion is a tremendously complicated issue, and when it comes right down to it, I don't see how a bunch of remote elites, sitting in legislatures hundreds or thousands of miles away from the person "on the ground", are in a better position to wisely weigh the circumstances of the woman who is thinking about abortion than is the woman herself. What do they know about her situation that she herself doesn't know? Nothing. What does she know about her situation that they themselves do not know? Practically everything.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

It is too personal for some one elses religion or opinion to be a factor.

 

[soulsurvivor]

I wasn't so much trying to start a big debate, just curious if the forum is more pro-life or pro-choice, so if you fill in the bubble that most applies to you, I appreciate it

It's really hard for me to answer this question, because while I think abortion is the killing of a human being, I wish I had been aborted and I can think of lots of other people that should have been aborted. I literally do not know whether I'm pro-life or pro-choice.

Sometimes abortion is evil and deprives the world of a decent human being. Other times abortion spares us some miserable **** without a Father figure, who would spread more misery. Sometimes abortion can spare a woman a lot of pain. Sometimes abortion can cause a woman a lifetime of pain and regret as well. It's complicated!

Even if you had been aborted, you would have been born some time later. It is our karma to be born again and again until we have outgrown this human existence. We don't really have a choice in this matter.

So it also follows that abortion does really deprive the world of any person, just the timing of that person's earthly life is changed. Of course this does affect the person as well as the world to some extent, but not in a permanent way.

Abortion is not a nice or good thing, but unlike murder, it is not the evil that pro-life people make it out to be.

 

[निताइ dasa]

I'm generally prolife with certain exceptions. It is certainly a complex topic, but as long as you can consistently justify it in accordance with our other considered morals, I have no problem with you.

 

[Spiderman]

Even if you had been aborted, you would have been born some time later. It is our karma to be born again and again until we have outgrown this human existence. We don't really have a choice in this matter.

So it also follows that abortion does really deprive the world of any person, just the timing of that person's earthly life is changed. Of course this does affect the person as well as the world to some extent, but not in a permanent way.

Abortion is not a nice or good thing, but unlike murder, it is not the evil that pro-life people make it out to be.

I hope you are right

 

[bobhikes]

I wasn't so much trying to start a big debate, just curious if the forum is more pro-life or pro-choice, so if you fill in the bubble that most applies to you, I appreciate it

It's really hard for me to answer this question, because while I think abortion is the killing of a human being, I wish I had been aborted and I can think of lots of other people that should have been aborted. I literally do not know whether I'm pro-life or pro-choice.

Sometimes abortion is evil and deprives the world of a decent human being. Other times abortion spares us some miserable **** without a Father figure, who would spread more misery. Sometimes abortion can spare a woman a lot of pain. Sometimes abortion can cause a woman a lifetime of pain and regret as well. It's complicated!

Personally, I am Pro-Life. I would never give up on my own offspring no matter what.
Publicly, I am Pro-choice. You should never force a person to do any thing they don't want to do.

 

[oldbadger]

I wasn't so much trying to start a big debate, just curious if the forum is more pro-life or pro-choice, so if you fill in the bubble that most applies to you, I appreciate it

Can't!
It cuts both ways!
Disability, Serious Medical conditions, rape ......... pro-choice.
Up to circa 13 weeks........... pro-choice
After 13 weeks.......... pro-life

How can I vote?

 

[Neo Deist]

I am pro-life with exceptions. If the woman was raped, then it should be her choice. If there was a medical emergency, it should be her choice.

Outside of those, I do not think that abortion should be used as a means of birth control. If you are old enough to have consensual sex, then you are old enough to know to use protection (men and women). If you don't and get pregnant, at least give the little one a chance at life. Put them up for adoption.

Abortions are done by sucking the baby into pieces with a powerful vacuum, ripping the baby from limb to limb with surgical instruments, or injecting killer drugs into its heart or brain and then letting it die in the womb. The latter is sometimes done with the baby partially breached, and the arms/legs will move until death. If the thought is disgusting or inhumane, good. It should be.

Killing a baby could rob us of a future doctor that would have otherwise cured cancer.

 

[David1967]

You are right pope. Its complicated for sure. My personal belief? Pro life except in extreme circumstances, such as rape ,incest ,or the mother told that the birth would be fatal for her. But never as a form of birth control. It is the killing of a human being.

 

[Kirran]

You are right pope.

Hey! You address him as 'Holy Father' or 'Your Holiness'!

 

[Kuzcotopia]

It's complicated!

Exactly. If you want to restrict the behavior of others in a society, you need a reason that's absolutely compelling for all but the tiniest of minority opinions.

Pro life advocates can be assured that if their cultural efforts succeed in convincing such an overwhelming proportion, then and only then is it time for legal restrictions.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Can't vote for either, as I am both pro-life AND pro-choice. I very much dislike the notion of abortion used as a sort of birth control, but I cannot deny a woman her right to choose what is right for her. I really dislike the notion of late-term abortions, and am opposed when the fetus is potentially viable -- unless the mother's life is truly at stake. Even then, I'd prefer an attempt (as expensive as it might be) to save both the viable fetus AND the mother.

(As a side note, you would be very surprised at the percentage of successful fertilizations self-terminate and are not carried to term. It's about 70%!)

 

[Daemon Sophic]

I'm both. By being pro-choice, I am pro-life.
The statistics are clear. By making abortion illegal it will do NOTHING to the rate of young women getting an abortion. It will just cause suffering, as well as horrible medical complications up to and including old fashioned infectious deaths (of the women) above and beyond the numbers of fetuses. Stop deluding yourselves otherwise. We see it in other countries that ban abortions, and we saw it in our own history.

@Sunstone (once again) said it right in post #5 above. Its her body. Religiously, morally, politically, and in every other way, everybody else needs to shut their pie holes, and give her as much support, comfort, confidence, and solace as she needs to make this overwhelming decision for herself. And if she decides she will get the abortion, then our medical system HAS TO stand ready to get her safely through this.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

Can't vote for either, as I am both pro-life AND pro-choice. I very much dislike the notion of abortion used as a sort of birth control, but I cannot deny a woman her right to choose what is right for her. I really dislike the notion of late-term abortions, and am opposed when the fetus is potentially viable -- unless the mother's life is truly at stake. Even then, I'd prefer an attempt (as expensive as it might be) to save both the viable fetus AND the mother.

(As a side note, you would be very surprised at the percentage of successful fertilizations self-terminate and are not carried to term. It's about 70%!)

Yup. As my very Christian Dad has come to realize, God is the busiest abortion doctor in history.
Also, the biggest users of abortions in the US are middle-class married white women. The "abortion as birth control" almost never happens.
Furthermore, what Trump said in the debates is a complete lie. Pulling a viable fetus out of a woman the day before it is due is called "delivery".

I should also point out that I don't like abortions at all. I wish they never had to happen. But as I've said before.....if you don't like abortions; don't have one.

 

[pearl]

To say that abortion is complicated is an understatement. The labels are misleading. Pro-life begins at the moment of conception through to ones dying breath, at every stage in between. All too often one who calls him/her self pro-life is in reality simply anti-abortion, with no concern for life post uterus. The pro-choice label has its own problem. It may be comforting to hold that position, claiming our self to be pro-life, but leave it up to others to make their own decision, but in reality that position is legally for the 'right' to abortion. There seems to be no 'fair' way for all concerned including the fetus. Lets say abortion ought to be allowed in the case of rape. First, by the time a woman 'proves' rape the allotted time for an early abortion has probably passed. Add to that, the fetus conceived in rape is just as innocent as one conceived by consent (visiting the sins of the father on the child). My own position is to agree with Bill Clinton when he was president, abortion ought to be 'safe and rare.'

 

[pearl]

Furthermore, what Trump said in the debates is a complete lie. Pulling a viable fetus out of a woman the day before it is due is called "delivery".

I think these late term abortions he referred to are desperate situations where the there were severe medical problems for the infant, usually death expected soon after birth. Faced with the choice of giving birth only to hold an infant for a few day or hours etc, or ending it at once. Certainly nothing done on a whim.