Are you proud to have The Bible as your holy book?

[CarlinKnew]

Yeah, but that's not what the Bible is "mostly" about.

Cool, so most of the content is petty, but the book is not "mostly about" most of its content. I'm going to write a book with 200 pages about apples and 10 pages about oranges, and I'll advertise for it by saying it's mostly about oranges.

 

[CarlinKnew]

The bible was edited so that it can encompass many belief systems. The ability for it to foster individual interpretation has developed over the years as society changed. In that aspect, it's a good book. For facts proving the existence of God, it's lacking.

I don't see how you came to the conclusion that it's edited to encompass many belief systems and interpretations aside from trivial differences, nor do I see how you came to the conclusion that it was designed to contain facts for proof of God's existence.

 

[EnochSDP]

I don't think those comparisons are accurate at all. A lot of the Bible is repetition of the same exact message or occurance of events, sometimes word for word. Repetition isn't my only criticism but also the triviality of it: geneologies, descriptions of war booty, animal sacrifice procedures, etc. I realize it's a collection of books; I think it's a bad collection.

Ive read almost every post on this Post!It is a bad collection books?You forget to mention about the OT that thousands of prophicies were given and fulfilled.The new testament Jesus Christ fulfilled the life of the Messiah!A personnel relationship with Jesus is obv not your point or understanding.The reason the Bible is repetitive is because we need it drilled into our heads what the word and the law are.Man is stubborn and hard-headed.To teach anyone you must give repetition so to learn it well.Some catch quick some it takes a long time some never.Thats a fact.You must have Jesus in your heart and him working through to even start reading the Bible in philosophical terms.

 

[Me Myself]

Ive read almost every post on this Post!It is a bad collection books?You forget to mention about the OT that thousands of prophicies were given and fulfilled.

For each fulfilled prophecy of the bible I´ll put a fulfilled prophecy of an hindu or buddhist text.

You made the claim, so you start

 

[Levite]

You forget to mention about the OT that thousands of prophicies were given and fulfilled.The new testament Jesus Christ fulfilled the life of the Messiah!

For each fulfilled prophecy of the bible I´ll put a fulfilled prophecy of an hindu or buddhist text. You made the claim, so you start

opcorn:

 

[EnochSDP]

For each fulfilled prophecy of the bible I´ll put a fulfilled prophecy of an hindu or buddhist text.

You made the claim, so you start

Can yours be as signifiant as mine?
Just recently
1."Though you search for your enemies, you will not find them. Those who wage war against you will be as nothing at all. For I am the Lord, your God, who takes hold of your right hand and says to you, Do not fear; I will help you. Do not be afraid, O worm Jacob, O little Israel, for I myself will help you," declares the Lord, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel."Isa 41:12-14
Written in 600-700 BC.In this passage God said He would help Israel during wars with enemies.Multiple wars since 1948 have occured with Irael prevailing though massively out numbered.This is still a fulfillment.
2."In that day I will restore David's fallen tent. I will repair its broken places, restore its ruins, and build it as it used to be,'' … "The days are coming," declares the Lord, "when the reaper will be overtaken by the plowman and the planter by the one treading grapes. New wine will drip from the mountains and flow from all the hills."Amos 9:11,13
Written about 750BC.God said He would restore the land of David.That land laid in ruins for almost the oast 2000 years but is now still being rebuilt.
3."I will increase the number of men and animals upon you, and they will be fruitful and become numerous. I will settle people on you as in the past and will make you prosper more than before. Then you will know that I am the Lord."Ezk 36:11
Ezekiel prophesied prosperity for Israel.
4."I will make rivers flow on barren heights, and springs within the valleys. I will turn the desert into pools of water, and the parched ground into springs. I will put in the desert the cedar and the acacia, the myrtle and the olive. I will set pines in the wasteland, the fir and the cypress together, so that people may see and know, may consider and understand, that the hand of the Lord has done this, that the Holy One of Israel has created it."Isaiah 41:18-20
Written about 790BC.The land would lay desolate but be fruitful again.
5."In days to come Jacob will take root, Israel will bud and blossom and fill all the world with fruit."Isa 27:6
Isiah said Israel's fruit would fill the world.
6."In the last days the mountain of the Lord's temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and peoples will stream to it."Micah 4:1
Written about 650-750BC.Jerusalem would become the world's most important religious site.
7."It will be the lowliest of kingdoms and will never again exalt itself above the other nations. I will make it so weak that it will never again rule over the nations."Ezk 29:15
Written about 560BC.Eygpt would never again rule over nations.
8.This is what the Lord Almighty says: "I will save my people from the countries of the east and the west. I will bring them back to live in Jerusalem; they will be my people, and I will be faithful and righteous to them as their God."Zec 8:7-8
Zechariah prophesied the Jews returns to Jerusalem.
9.The Lord will surely comfort Zion and will look with compassion on all her ruins; he will make her deserts like Eden, her wastelands like the garden of the Lord. Joy and gladness will be found in her, thanksgiving and the sound of singing.Isa 51:3
Israel's deserts will become like the garden of Eden.
10."Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, `Give them up!' and to the south, `Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth…Isa 43:5-6
Isaiah foretold of the worldwide return of the Jews to Israel.

 

[Me Myself]

Can yours be as signifiant as mine?
Just recently
1."Though you search for your enemies, you will not find them. Those who wage war against you will be as nothing at all. For I am the Lord, your God, who takes hold of your right hand and says to you, Do not fear; I will help you. Do not be afraid, O worm Jacob, O little Israel, for I myself will help you," declares the Lord, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel."Isa 41:12-14

Written in 600-700 BC.In this passage God said He would help Israel during wars with enemies.Multiple wars since 1948 have occured with Irael prevailing though massively out numbered.This is still a fulfillment.

NOTHING AT ALL? To this day, Israel keeps losing lifes because of religious conflicts. Jews have always found their enemies. Wars against them has never been as “nothing at all”.
To this day, still unfulfilled.

2."In that day I will restore David's fallen tent. I will repair its broken places, restore its ruins, and build it as it used to be,'' … "The days are coming," declares the Lord, "when the reaper will be overtaken by the plowman and the planter by the one treading grapes. New wine will drip from the mountains and flow from all the hills."Amos 9:11,13

Written about 750BC.God said He would restore the land of David.That land laid in ruins for almost the oast 2000 years but is now still being rebuilt.

...then it´s not rebuilt yet.

3."I will increase the number of men and animals upon you, and they will be fruitful and become numerous. I will settle people on you as in the past and will make you prosper more than before. Then you will know that I am the Lord."Ezk 36:11

Ezekiel prophesied prosperity for Israel.

Demographics are up for the entire world population.
Wealth too, with some notorious exceptions.

4."I will make rivers flow on barren heights, and springs within the valleys. I will turn the desert into pools of water, and the parched ground into springs. I will put in the desert the cedar and the acacia, the myrtle and the olive. I will set pines in the wasteland, the fir and the cypress together, so that people may see and know, may consider and understand, that the hand of the Lord has done this, that the Holy One of Israel has created it."Isaiah 41:18-20
Written about 790BC.The land would lay desolate but be fruitful again.

When has this been fulfilled? (it´s actually not a rethorical question )

5."In days to come Jacob will take root, Israel will bud and blossom and fill all the world with fruit."Isa 27:6
Isiah said Israel's fruit would fill the world.

Reading it in context, the spreading of the fruits only happens AFTER God kills “Leviatan” a sea serpent or dragon. “Death” itself also has to be killed by Yaveh before this prophecy can be called fulfilled. You are welcome to read it in Isaias.
So no, unless we´ve found that there is the corpse of a giant serpent floating in the sea and that no one else is dying (because death itself is no more) then this piece of “prophecy” cannot be counted as fulfilled yet. Actually, it also mentions a place called “Moab” ?

6."In the last days the mountain of the Lord's temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and peoples will stream to it."Micah 4:1
[/I]Written about 650-750BC.Jerusalem would become the world's most important religious site.

It is supposed than a theocracy would also be in place by this very time. Given that there is no theocracy, then again, the prophecy is false. Actualy, and just reading… nations shouldn´t be fighting against each other in this very time, so how was Palestine and Israel conflict again?

7."It will be the lowliest of kingdoms and will never again exalt itself above the other nations. I will make it so weak that it will never again rule over the nations."Ezk 29:15
Written about 560BC.Eygpt would never again rule over nations.

Egypt is still one of the most politically influent places in Africa. Not only is it not “The lowliest” but Egypt has problems because other Africans want to immigrate there to get more opportunities. If you are in Africa, Egypt is a really good place to be.

8.This is what the Lord Almighty says: "I will save my people from the countries of the east and the west. I will bring them back to live in Jerusalem; they will be my people, and I will be faithful and righteous to them as their God."Zec 8:7-8
Zechariah prophesied the Jews returns to Jerusalem.

Supposedly , there should be peace in this time too. So again, Israel Plalestine conflict shows the prophecy imposible to have been fulfilled yet.

9.The Lord will surely comfort Zion and will look with compassion on all her ruins; he will make her deserts like Eden, her wastelands like the garden of the Lord. Joy and gladness will be found in her, thanksgiving and the sound of singing.Isa 51:3
Israel's deserts will become like the garden of Eden.

I know little about geography, but a quick wiki search tells me Israel still has deserts.
So still:
No soup for you.

10."Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, `Give them up!' and to the south, `Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth…Isa 43:5-6
Isaiah foretold of the worldwide return of the Jews to Israel.

Have you read this prophecy? Unless jewish people stopped being flammable, this hasn´t been fulfilled yet neither.

Can yours be as signifiant as mine?

Which?

 

[sojourner]

Cool, so most of the content is petty, but the book is not "mostly about" most of its content. I'm going to write a book with 200 pages about apples and 10 pages about oranges, and I'll advertise for it by saying it's mostly about oranges.

"Most" is, at best, an exaggeration. "Most" of the content isn't "petty." "Petty" is a pretty subjective description, and depends upon how the texts are understood. Even so, once again, since the book is mostly about human beings, and human beings are a petty lot, it only stands to reason that there would be some pettiness in the book. And to call that shot only means that you're passing judgment upon humanity -- not God.

 

[Caladan]

"Most" is, at best, an exaggeration. "Most" of the content isn't "petty." "Petty" is a pretty subjective description, and depends upon how the texts are understood. Even so, once again, since the book is mostly about human beings, and human beings are a petty lot, it only stands to reason that there would be some pettiness in the book. And to call that shot only means that you're passing judgment upon humanity -- not God.

But CarlinKnew is talking about the Bible and its content, there is no argument about God that I can see.
As for the whole issue of pettiness, it's relative. Pettiness in what? I see a lot of pettiness in Homer's Odyssey and in Beowulf, but they are still two of my favourite texts.

 

[sojourner]

But CarlinKnew is talking about the Bible and its content, there is no argument about God that I can see.
As for the whole issue of pettiness, it's relative. Pettiness in what? I see a lot of pettiness in Homer's Odyssey and in Beowulf, but they are still two of my favourite texts.

well, exactly! That's what I've been saying all along.

 

[EnochSDP]

NOTHING AT ALL? To this day, Israel keeps losing lifes because of religious conflicts. Jews have always found their enemies. Wars against them has never been as “nothing at all”.
To this day, still unfulfilled.



...then it´s not rebuilt yet.


Demographics are up for the entire world population.
Wealth too, with some notorious exceptions.

When has this been fulfilled? (it´s actually not a rethorical question )


Reading it in context, the spreading of the fruits only happens AFTER God kills “Leviatan” a sea serpent or dragon. “Death” itself also has to be killed by Yaveh before this prophecy can be called fulfilled. You are welcome to read it in Isaias.
So no, unless we´ve found that there is the corpse of a giant serpent floating in the sea and that no one else is dying (because death itself is no more) then this piece of “prophecy” cannot be counted as fulfilled yet. Actually, it also mentions a place called “Moab” ?

It is supposed than a theocracy would also be in place by this very time. Given that there is no theocracy, then again, the prophecy is false. Actualy, and just reading… nations shouldn´t be fighting against each other in this very time, so how was Palestine and Israel conflict again?

Egypt is still one of the most politically influent places in Africa. Not only is it not “The lowliest” but Egypt has problems because other Africans want to immigrate there to get more opportunities. If you are in Africa, Egypt is a really good place to be.

Supposedly , there should be peace in this time too. So again, Israel Plalestine conflict shows the prophecy imposible to have been fulfilled yet.

I know little about geography, but a quick wiki search tells me Israel still has deserts.
So still:
No soup for you.




Have you read this prophecy? Unless jewish people stopped being flammable, this hasn´t been fulfilled yet neither.





Which?

Cyrus the Great, is mentioned by name as the liberator and restorer of the Jews and Jerusalem in Isa 44:28.This prophesy is given more than two hundred years before he conquered babylon and fulfilled this prophecy.No one could have known about a king that would be born that would liberate the Jews from babylon and that he would let them rebulid their city that had not yet been destroyed, All this two hundred years before he was born.
Isaiah predicts the destruction of babylon in Isa 12-13 over 150 years before the event.Daniel details the eventual history of four empires, before two of them were even created.
Moses gives the entire history of the Jewish nation in Deut 28.He gives a complete outline of their history before it takes place!
In 1 Kings 13:2 the writer here mentions king Josiah by name and tells about his life three hundred years before the king ruled.It mentions him by name despite the fact that he was centuries away from even being born.
Another one everyone can see more recently is the emergance of Israel as a nation again in 1948.In Lev. 26:44, the Bible said that God would never allow the people of Israel to be completely destroyed.Israel has been decimeated by neighbering civilzations, yet they still are a nation today.They represent one of the longest living nations in known history.In isaiah 49:13-17, the Lord makes it clear that even though the people of Israel are to be exiled from thier land, the Lord will never forget them.Jeremiah was one of the prophets who warned the people of Judah that they would be forced into exile.In Jeremiah 32:36-37, he peophesies to the people that they will survive in Babylon and return home.Ezekiel 34:13 was a time also when the babylonians ruled over the people of Judah, and he too was one of the Jews who were taken to Babylon as captives.He prophesied that God would gather the exiles together from where they have been scattered and He would restore them to thier own land.This prophetic statement passed through 3,500 years of history to its complete fulfillment in our lifetime.
The greatest prohecies of all are those concerning Jesus Christ.The life of Christ is given in incredible detail hundreds of years before He was born.The old testament states that he would be born in Bethlehem.No person can choose where they will be born, so this is not something Christ could have chosen to fulfill were He not the Son of God.It was also foretold that He would come from the tribe of Judah, heal many, teach great things, die on a cross between thieves, not have a broken bone, be buried in a rich man's tomb, and be resurrected.All this and many other things did Jesus do to fulfill prophecy as the Son of God.
The prophet Daniel proclaimed that Israel's Messiah would begin His ministry 483 years after the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jersualem.He further predicted that the Messiah would be killed and this event would happen prior to Jersualem's second destruction.Substancial documents record that a decree regarding the restoration of Israel was issued by Persia's King Artaxerxes in 458bc.483 years later the ministry of Jesus Christ was taking place as predicted.The crucifxion of Jesus took place a few years later, and about four decades later in 70ad, Titus destroyed Jerusalem as predicted.Daniel 9:25-26.
In 700bc the prophet Micah named a tiny village in Bethlehem as the birthplace of the Messiah.Micah 5:2.It is well known that Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem which is translation meaning 'House of Bread.'"This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die.I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."John 6:50-51.
In 5bc a prophet named Zechariah declared that the Messiah would be betrayed for the price of a slave which was thirty pieces of silver.Zech 11:12-13.Bible writers and secular historians both record thirty pieces of silver as the sum paid to Judas Iscariot for betraying Jesus Christ.
Some 400 years before the torture and death by crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that describe that the Messiah would be crucified.Psalm 22 and 34:20;Zech 12:10.
With the evidence of the Bible starring people in their face they still say it is not accurate.Science and Archaeology is continuously proving the Bible to be accurate.There are numerous prophecies in the Old Testament that speak of the Messiah and Jesus Christ fulfilled all of them.The Bible was written within a 1,700 year span so there is no way that many of these prophecies could have just been predicted.There are over 40 authors so there is no way they could have conspired to do so.The Bible is literally filled with detailed prophecies that have been fulfilled with perfect accuracy.

 

[Me Myself]

Cyrus the Great, is mentioned by name as the liberator and restorer of the Jews and Jerusalem in Isa 44:28.This prophesy is given more than two hundred years before he conquered babylon and fulfilled this prophecy.No one could have known about a king that would be born that would liberate the Jews from babylon and that he would let them rebulid their city that had not yet been destroyed, All this two hundred years before he was born.
Isaiah predicts the destruction of babylon in Isa 12-13 over 150 years before the event.Daniel details the eventual history of four empires, before two of them were even created.
Moses gives the entire history of the Jewish nation in Deut 28.He gives a complete outline of their history before it takes place!
In 1 Kings 13:2 the writer here mentions king Josiah by name and tells about his life three hundred years before the king ruled.It mentions him by name despite the fact that he was centuries away from even being born.
Another one everyone can see more recently is the emergance of Israel as a nation again in 1948.In Lev. 26:44, the Bible said that God would never allow the people of Israel to be completely destroyed.Israel has been decimeated by neighbering civilzations, yet they still are a nation today.They represent one of the longest living nations in known history.In isaiah 49:13-17, the Lord makes it clear that even though the people of Israel are to be exiled from thier land, the Lord will never forget them.Jeremiah was one of the prophets who warned the people of Judah that they would be forced into exile.In Jeremiah 32:36-37, he peophesies to the people that they will survive in Babylon and return home.Ezekiel 34:13 was a time also when the babylonians ruled over the people of Judah, and he too was one of the Jews who were taken to Babylon as captives.He prophesied that God would gather the exiles together from where they have been scattered and He would restore them to thier own land.This prophetic statement passed through 3,500 years of history to its complete fulfillment in our lifetime.
The greatest prohecies of all are those concerning Jesus Christ.The life of Christ is given in incredible detail hundreds of years before He was born.The old testament states that he would be born in Bethlehem.No person can choose where they will be born, so this is not something Christ could have chosen to fulfill were He not the Son of God.It was also foretold that He would come from the tribe of Judah, heal many, teach great things, die on a cross between thieves, not have a broken bone, be buried in a rich man's tomb, and be resurrected.All this and many other things did Jesus do to fulfill prophecy as the Son of God.
The prophet Daniel proclaimed that Israel's Messiah would begin His ministry 483 years after the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jersualem.He further predicted that the Messiah would be killed and this event would happen prior to Jersualem's second destruction.Substancial documents record that a decree regarding the restoration of Israel was issued by Persia's King Artaxerxes in 458bc.483 years later the ministry of Jesus Christ was taking place as predicted.The crucifxion of Jesus took place a few years later, and about four decades later in 70ad, Titus destroyed Jerusalem as predicted.Daniel 9:25-26.
In 700bc the prophet Micah named a tiny village in Bethlehem as the birthplace of the Messiah.Micah 5:2.It is well known that Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem which is translation meaning 'House of Bread.'"This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die.I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."John 6:50-51.
In 5bc a prophet named Zechariah declared that the Messiah would be betrayed for the price of a slave which was thirty pieces of silver.Zech 11:12-13.Bible writers and secular historians both record thirty pieces of silver as the sum paid to Judas Iscariot for betraying Jesus Christ.
Some 400 years before the torture and death by crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that describe that the Messiah would be crucified.Psalm 22 and 34:20;Zech 12:10.
With the evidence of the Bible starring people in their face they still say it is not accurate.Science and Archaeology is continuously proving the Bible to be accurate.There are numerous prophecies in the Old Testament that speak of the Messiah and Jesus Christ fulfilled all of them.The Bible was written within a 1,700 year span so there is no way that many of these prophecies could have just been predicted.There are over 40 authors so there is no way they could have conspired to do so.The Bible is literally filled with detailed prophecies that have been fulfilled with perfect accuracy.

You were able to enumerate your false prophecies the first time. Do the same this other time now that I already had to look up 10 false claims. It´s the least you can do.

 

[EnochSDP]

You were able to enumerate your false prophecies the first time. Do the same this other time now that I already had to look up 10 false claims. It´s the least you can do.

None of my claims are false and you have yet to post one.Mine are still being fulfilled and have been fulfilled.Funny thing is recorded history proves mine and you do not accept it.

 

[EnochSDP]

You were able to enumerate your false prophecies the first time. Do the same this other time now that I already had to look up 10 false claims. It´s the least you can do.

You are full of hot air!

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

You are full of hot air!

We like to think of it as oxygen.

 

[Me Myself]

None of my claims are false and you have yet to post one.

I said one for each of yours. The ones you presented were not yet fulfilled at all. If you have doubts you may read my rebuke of each one of them.

When your reading comprehension skills kick in and you get what I said, you may either try to counter-debate (although I would be surprised you had a point) or realize those don´t work at all and enumerate this next ones, so I can see if you did a better investigation job with them and they are actually admisible.

 

[Me Myself]

You are full of hot air!

Making you sweat?

 

[EnochSDP]

I said one for each of yours. The ones you presented were not yet fulfilled at all. If you have doubts you may read my rebuke of each one of them.

When your reading comprehension skills kick in and you get what I said, you may either try to counter-debate (although I would be surprised you had a point) or realize those don´t work at all and enumerate this next ones, so I can see if you did a better investigation job with them and they are actually admisible.

Ok ones still be fulfilled or can be considered being fulfilled or still could be fulfilled ill give you that do not count.
The second set are all fully fulfilled and documented.I do not see your point at all.I do not see how you say that those do not count when they most certainly count!

 

[Me Myself]

Ok ones still be fulfilled or can be considered being fulfilled or still could be fulfilled ill give you that do not count.
The second set are all fully fulfilled and documented.I do not see your point at all.I do not see how you say that those do not count when they most certainly count!

Sur I´ll check them! Put themn in nice and cousy numbers. In an organized way to see and check, so I can answer them in an organized way in turn too

edit: and BTW, I would do that TOMORROW, cause I am exhausted tonight x_x

 

[EnochSDP]

In Isa 44:28-45:1 about 725 BC, It names Cyrus the Great,It says he will allow Jersualem to build thier temple and foundations will be laid.He will subdue nations.He will rise to power by the Lords will for his purpose.This was foretold two hundred years before Cyrus was born.Cyrus became to rule Persia in 559 BC.
Isa chapter 12-13 predicts the destrcution of Babylon 150 years before it was destroyed.
In the book of Daniel describes four empires, Babylon,Persia,Greece,and RomeThis was at the end of the Babylonian empire an start of the Persian empire before Greece or Rome was thought of.
In 1 Kings 13:2 it mentions king Josiah by name and tells about the actions on his life three hundred years before the King was born.
in Daniel 9:23-26 Daniel describes The ministry of Jesus, the destrcution of Jersualem and the rebuilding of it in latter times.That a decree would be given to allow the Jews to rebuild thier city and temple.And that the Messiah would be cut off and the temple destroyed again.
In 5BC a prophet named Zechariah declared the Messiah would betryed for the price of a slave and historians record Jesus was sold for thirty pieces of silver which was the rate for a slave then.32 years before Christ would be betrayed.
Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented King David and Zechariah describe the Messiah being crucified.In Psalm 22 and 34:20, Zech 12:10.