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Are you right or left?

I am

  • right-wing

    Votes: 4 20.0%
  • leftist

    Votes: 9 45.0%
  • neither

    Votes: 7 35.0%

  • Total voters
    20

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
Pbbbttttt!
Knave!
Rascal!
Piddelsnicker!
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I'm further south of him though....more anarchy.
The first problem is that in an Anarchy, without an authoritarian government to enforce and protect property and other rights, someone will inevitably take over and become an authoritarian, and only protect and enforce property and other rights for themselves and their supporters.

The second problem is that, with an authoritarian government, eventually, someone will inevitably take over and become an authoritarian who will not protect nor enforce property or other rights for anyone except themselves and their supporters.

Doesn't much matter whether you're left or right.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The first problem is that in an Anarchy, without an authoritarian government to enforce and protect property and other rights, someone will inevitably take over and become an authoritarian, and only protect and enforce property and other rights for themselves and their supporters.

The second problem is that, with an authoritarian government, eventually, someone will inevitably take over and become an authoritarian who will not protect nor enforce property or other rights for anyone except themselves and their supporters.

Doesn't much matter whether you're left or right.
That is a very special analysis, young fella!
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
I believe in government support but not enforcement of a strong social core; it should promote the better characteristics of mankind(strength, speed, beauty, compassion, sacrifice, un-entitlement, graciousness, unity, etc.) in order to push us to be the best possible people for the best possible nation.

Economically, I think government should have a policy of more or less limited intervention for the best outcome of the greater people. Freedom to succeed, but intervention where that success comes at the price of harming the people(free trade and automation for instance). Freedom to fail, but not disastrously(social safety nets).

The first problem is that in an Anarchy, without an authoritarian government to enforce and protect property and other rights, someone will inevitably take over and become an authoritarian, and only protect and enforce property and other rights for themselves and their supporters.

The second problem is that, with an authoritarian government, eventually, someone will inevitably take over and become an authoritarian who will not protect nor enforce property or other rights for anyone except themselves and their supporters.

Doesn't much matter whether you're left or right.
The third problem is that with a democratic government, inevitably people will vote to deny or reject rights for others and possibly themselves as well.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
The first problem is that in an Anarchy, without an authoritarian government to enforce and protect property and other rights, someone will inevitably take over and become an authoritarian, and only protect and enforce property and other rights for themselves and their supporters.

The second problem is that, with an authoritarian government, eventually, someone will inevitably take over and become an authoritarian who will not protect nor enforce property or other rights for anyone except themselves and their supporters.

Doesn't much matter whether you're left or right.

If you equate anarchy with chaos, sure, but that's not at all what anarchism advocates.
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Thanks to @Kuzcotopia and @David1967 . That means alot. ;)

@PopeADope : definetely "leftist". Its tricky but for the sake of argument I'd say Wilhelm Reich is my favorite communist. He was a freudian-marxist psychoanalyst from the 1920's and 30's but was expelled from the german communist party for his ideas. He eventually turned away from marxist communism (to advocate a concept of mystical orgasmic energy) but still held communistic views. He's probably best known as the psychoanalysist who said Nazism was down to sexual repression in the "mass psychology of fascism". I've heard him described as the "grandfather" of the sexual revolution of the 60's/70's.

Wilhelm Reich - Wikipedia
 

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
If you equate anarchy with chaos, sure, but that's not at all what anarchism advocates.
When it is chaos, but even when it is not. The anarchy of totally free markets and democracy result in the exact same thing. It has nothing to do with anarchy per se; it has to do with human nature, specifically the fact that a small percent of the population is driven primarily by a need for power, and those with needs for achievement, or direction, or even affiliation can be convinced to hand power over to those with that need.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
When it is chaos, but even when it is not. The anarchy of totally free markets and democracy result in the exact same thing. It has nothing to do with anarchy per se; it has to do with human nature, specifically the fact that a small percent of the population is driven primarily by a need for power, and those with needs for achievement, or direction, or even affiliation can be convinced to hand power over to those with that need.

Ah, good old "anarcho-capitalism". I'm not convinced it's really a school of anarchism, as it comes from an entirely different place and a different route of ideological development.

Anarchism proper is against capitalism as much as government.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Ah, good old "anarcho-capitalism". I'm not convinced it's really a school of anarchism, as it comes from an entirely different place and a different route of ideological development.

Anarchism proper is against capitalism as much as government.
Anarchists can be against capitalism all they want, but we capitalists will ply our craft.
And since you're unorganized (or less organized) & lacking political power, we'll thrive.

Btw, at your rallies decrying us, if you want a taco or burger, you'll be dealing with us.
 
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