So you agree that 'truth' indeed is correspondence with reality? And the only problem is working out what's real?
That depends on what you mean.
I don't agree that truth and reality has anything to do with "
the best opinion". Far from.
Working out reality often falls into that category, as is shown by science - a tool that has considerable limits for accurately knowing truth and reality.
Let's use this approach.
Reality - God -> Truth -> Test / Examine / Experiment -> Find -> Reality - God -> Truth ...an unbreakable cycle.
Notice, we are doing both top down, and bottom up, and if the cycle is working flawlessly - which it it. Then to me, it is reality. It is truth.
Why not join us.
Start here.
Every house is constructed by someone. True? What do we expect?
He that constructed all things, is God. By the way, that's found here - Hebrews 3:4.
Now test it. How? You ask.
What does your experience tell you?
I know what mine tells me - from every angle.
@blü 2 by the way, I don't have any experience otherwise, so if you do, please present it. No magic please.
Or you're saying that there's no such thing as truth?
Or you're saying that truth is anything you want it to be?
blü 2 for real? I am trying to take into consideration that you may not be a young man, but now I am wondering if you read my posts.
To both questions.
NO. Please read my posts. There is no benefit to asking someone questions, if you are not going to take your time reading their posts.
I'm sure you would agree, that is very frustrating.
Good to have these things clear. We agree that reality is the world external to the self, and we agree that our senses are capable of informing us about that world and we agree that reason is a valid tool.
My own view is that logic is one of the fruits of reason, and that common sense intends to be reason used informally.
No problem. It's good we can agree on something, at least.
It's called 'debate'. I do it to make me think. Why do you do it?
Isn't it useless debate? I don't do that. I have things to do.
So you ask a question. Someone gives you an answer. You say they are imagining things. You ask the same question again, to get the same answer. ?
That' makes you think? Wow.
Love is attitude and conduct generated by evolved biochemistry.
Please prove that.
Biochemistry has objective existence. Conduct, words, writing, and so on, have objective existence
Experience is just another version of being informed, and in the case of sex, love and breeding, propelled by very evolved instincts regarding signals and responses, most of them not conscious. One simple example is the porn industry, because males in particular have evolved to respond to the sight (inter alia) of the female body and to become randy accordingly. A more elaborate version within the same class of things is attraction between A and B which may lead to bonding and generation within the norms of the society.
I only partially agree with you there.
SOME have evolved those behaviors - by what they gained through the senses... and by evolved, I am not referring to the theory.
If you're talking about gods. spirits, miracles and so on, the question is whether such things are purely mental phenomena or whether they exist independently, as parts of the world external to the self. As I've already remarked, no one has a suitable definition of a real god, such that if we found a real candidate we could tell whether it was God, or a god, or not. That's one of an armory of smoking guns that say gods are only found as concepts in the brains of individuals, have no objective counterpart, are purely imaginary. I've only met two people who said they'd had personal experience of god, and in both cases the 'meeting' was an emotional state which they found ─ attractive? stimulating? exhilarating? ─ with zero information content. No sensory input was involved (although I understand some people like a particular environment, semi-darkness, incense, soft couch, whatever). i can recall three occasions where I've had what I might call 'altered vision', a sudden different perceiving of what I was looking at, but I think it was simply odd, not marvelous, something human brains sometimes do.
As you said, you had a lifetime of experiencing something. It was not God. So I nor anyone else can give you that.
I say your lifetime experience was all in your head - imagined.
No, it's just a handy way of making the point. The way to refute it is to point to a Babylonian treatise at that time which describes aspects of modern cosmology: a spherical earth, heliocentry, the concept of satellites, planets, stars, galaxies. None of that is there, as any history of science will tell you (and as the bible by its own statement confirms).
False
There you go again, trying to get rid of things you find inconvenient by waving your hands at them, argument from wishful thinking. The smoking gun this time is that you think it's to a website as such, meaning you didn't even look at it before you slagged it.
No, I did look at it before, but I forgot it's rubbish you collected from a website, and piled up in your post.
I have a right to wave my hand at rubbish, don't I? Especially when you repeatedly keep pushing it my way, although I repeatedly point out to you, it is completely false.
Just to be clear: It's correct to say that you don't have a definition of a real God such that if we found a real candidate we could tell whether it was God or not, yes?
No.
And if that's the case, it's correct to say that the only alternative to a real god is a wholly conceptual one, an entirely imaginary one, yes?
No.
And an entirely imaginary god can do magic whereas entities with objective existence can't, yes?
No.