Arius was correct about Jesus

[Dogknox20]

Arius was correct about Jesus. Arius lived from c. AD 256–336. He was an Christian presbyter He believed Jesus Christ is the Son of God who was begotten by God the Father with the difference that the Son of God did not always exist but was begotten within time by God the Father, therefore Jesus was not co-eternal with God the Father.

Jesus is according to the Bible God's son, Jesus is not God. Only the Father is God. In my opinion.

Any thoughts? Do you disagree or agree? Why?

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The Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary, the Holy Spirit is God.....35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. THEREFORE...

Meandflower therfore Jesus the Flesh and Blood Jesus>>> is God the begotten! Jesus is God' son! Jesus came to earth so he could die! WAIT... follow me ....Adam was the first PERFECT Man! All things God does are PERFECT! Think; If God does not do things perfectly then he would NOT be PERFECT He would then not be God!
God created the Earth PERFECTLY!
God created Adam PERFECTLY!
This perfect man Adam freely decided to sin! Adam made a free will choice to sin! The Perfect Man freely decided to sin so all of asudden God' perfect creation was NOT Perfect anymore!
Man needed a second PERFECT Man to undo the wrong of Adam the first perfect man! All men are born imperferct because we are the children of Adam! We were stuck between a rock and a hard spot.. Needing a perfect man, all are born imperfect! :-( THAT IS...

Meandflower that is until Jesus was born the second perfect man! Jesus was born as a man so he could die as a man.. CAN'T...

Meandflower can't die as a man if first not born as a man! Jesus died "SINLESS" death could not hold Jesus in the grave "The wages of Sin is death"! Jesus popped out of the tomb never ever to die a second time! No one can die twice, you can't even kill a stinking no good for nothing, mangy, old dog two times! NO ONE dies twice! WHAT...

Meandflower what we have to do is get ourselves IMMERSED into the living forever, can't die body of Jesus! Jesus the perfect sinless man came to die in ourplace! Only God is perfect!

God became part of his own creation!

 

[muhammad_isa]

..God became part of his own creation!

Well, not really..
All human beings have a part of G-d in them. The soul.

G-d is.
He can't become.

 

[Lain]

All human beings have a part of G-d in them. The soul.

What does "part of God" mean to you? Part of His substance?

 

[muhammad_isa]

What does "part of God" mean to you? Part of His substance?

..something like that.
One thing is for sure .. the soul is not of physical material.

 

[Lain]

..something like that.
One thing is for sure .. the soul is not of physical material.

I agree, although as I consider souls to be created (although immaterial) and God to not be able to be divided the idea is odd to me. I think those called Jews have some idea like that, equally baffling to me also.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..I think those called Jews have some idea like that, equally baffling to me also.

I know that many people consider the soul to be created..

I can understand how something physical is created.
..but a soul? What does that even mean?

G-d is eternal.
Our souls are also eternal.

Again, many people claim that only the righteous souls are eternal.
They can then claim that G-d destroys the bad ones..
Hmm .. that looks like wishful thinking to me.
Jesus says in the Gospels that some souls will be in everlasting life, and some in everlasting torment.

 

[Lain]

I know that many people consider the soul to be created..

I can understand how something physical is created.
..but a soul? What does that even mean?

G-d is eternal.
Our souls are also eternal.

Again, many people claim that only the righteous souls are eternal.
They can then claim that G-d destroys the bad ones..
Hmm .. that looks like wishful thinking to me.
Jesus says in the Gospels that some souls will be in everlasting life, and some in everlasting torment.

The same way something physical is created. How do you envision creation? By an act of will what was not now is, simple as that, that's what it is to me. I would not say that God is strictly eternal, but that's something I'm currently investigating. The soul of the righteous and unrighteous will last forever I agree, I do not agree with annihilationism.

 

[muhammad_isa]

The same way something physical is created.

It can't be. It is easy to understand how something physical is created..
i.e. from molecules

..but something spiritual is quite different. It is a different concept.
What actually IS a soul? How come G-d knows what we are thinking etc. ?

I would not say that God is strictly eternal, but that's something I'm currently investigating..

G-d MUST be eternal.
In the beginning was G-d. He then created the universe etc.

 

[Lain]

It can't be. It is easy to understand how something physical is created..
i.e. from molecules

..but something spiritual is quite different. It is a different concept.
What actually IS a soul? How come G-d knows what we are thinking etc. ?



G-d MUST be eternal.
In the beginning was G-d. He then created the universe etc.

Ah, I thought you meant like the creation of matter as a whole.

That's true, but for my religion Scripture also says things like: "I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, the one who is [present] and the one who was [past] and the one who is coming [future], the All-Powerful."

So it seems to me like God is both outside of time (infinite, uncreated), everlasting/eternal, but in a real sense, perhaps via omnipresence, "inhabits" time, for He can be said to be the One who is, was, and is to be.

But there is a lot more reading to be done on the matter, from my first glances over the subject it appears that things are not so dichotomous, for even we will participate in eternity. Time itself is a great mystery for me.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Time itself is a great mystery for me.

Perhaps take a look at the following:-

Physics suggests that the future has already happened - BBC Reel

It is a brief look [cartoon] into Einstein's perception of time.

 

[Dogknox20]

Well, not really..
All human beings have a part of G-d in them. The soul.

G-d is.
He can't become.

Well, not really..
All human beings have a part of G-d in them. The soul.

G-d is.
He can't become.

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muhammad_isa Yes God always is; he is perfect, he made all of creation!
Jesus is God the second person of the trinity! "God the Father" "God the Son" & "God the Holy Spirit"! Three persons One God!

God loves us so much he came to save us from Satan and eternal death! Sin kills!
On the cross Jesus destroyed death and by rising from the dead Jesus restored life! God came to our rescue he is PERFECT; Jesus is perfect without any sins, because Jesus was sinless death could not hold him! Jesus rose from the dead to eternal life!

Christians love God God loves all men he is LOVE!
1 John 4:8
Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

1 John 4:10
This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.

1 John 4:16
And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

muhammad_isa Did you see it? Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

 

[Dogknox20]

I know that many people consider the soul to be created..

I can understand how something physical is created.
..but a soul? What does that even mean?

G-d is eternal.
Our souls are also eternal.

Again, many people claim that only the righteous souls are eternal.
They can then claim that G-d destroys the bad ones..
Hmm .. that looks like wishful thinking to me.
Jesus says in the Gospels that some souls will be in everlasting life, and some in everlasting torment.

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muhammad_isa The soul of man is eternal! Man was made in the image of God! The soul will end up in heaven or damnation with Satan!

 

[Dogknox20]

Perhaps take a look at the following:-

Physics suggests that the future has already happened - BBC Reel

It is a brief look [cartoon] into Einstein's perception of time.

God lives outside of time... Thus if we are immersed into the living forever body of Jesus we also will live forever!

 

[Lain]

Perhaps take a look at the following:-

Physics suggests that the future has already happened - BBC Reel

It is a brief look [cartoon] into Einstein's perception of time.

That was fascinating to look at and will assist me in my quest to know an accurate, or mostly accurate, model of time. Thank you.

 

[Dogknox20]

That was fascinating to look at and will assist me in my quest to know an accurate, or mostly accurate, model of time. Thank you.

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Arius WAS a Christian until he rejected Christian beliefs! Arius was AMONG Christians until he rejected Christian beliefs!
This is from the new testament in the bible, it's Scripture Prophesy..
2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.

Arius was a hieratic; a false teacher!

 

[Lain]

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Arius WAS a Christian until he rejected Christian beliefs! Arius was AMONG Christians until he rejected Christian beliefs!
This is from the new testament in the bible, it's Scripture Prophesy..
2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.

Arius was a hieratic; a false teacher!

Amen, indeed he was. And the Lord God condemned him through the Councils and Church Fathers. In my opinion of course, but I agree with you.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Amen, indeed he was. And the Lord God condemned him through the Councils and Church Fathers..

It is all a matter of perspective..
Muslims have been similarly condemned.
However, that doesn't have any bearing on the truth.
It is/was a man-made decision. Men are not infallible.

 

[Lain]

It is all a matter of perspective..
Muslims have been similarly condemned.
However, that doesn't have any bearing on the truth.
It is/was a man-made decision. Men are not infallible.

I do not hold that it was a man-made decision, since I hold that the Councils are inerrant, infallible, and divinely inspired, like the Sacred Scriptures and the Sacred Tradition.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I do not hold that it was a man-made decision, since I hold that the Councils are inerrant, infallible, and divinely inspired, just like the Sacred Scriptures and the Sacred Tradition.

The councils can't be inerrant !
It can be shown that some councils have reversed the decisions of others.
How can that be explained to be coherent?

 

[Lain]

The councils can't be inerrant !
It can be shown that some councils have reversed the decisions of others.
How can that be explained to be coherent?

Not everything in an Ecumenical Council is irreformable by nature, but it's Universal teachings on the Faith (includes morals, etc) are. For example: that the Arians are wrong. That's a big one. I should've been more precise in my statement, sorry for the confusion.