Laniakea
Not of this world
People who say things like that are the ones begging for an authoritarian regime to take away the voice of the people.
"Democracy"! Ha!
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Arizona Republicans Thwart Attempt to Repeal the 1864 Abortion Ban
- Thread starter Wandering Monk
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"Democracy"! Ha!
Laniakea
Not of this world
Show me where the Bible supported women having an abortion because they just weren't ready to be a mother yet.
Laniakea
Not of this world
Which women are you ready to see sacrificed for your so-called greater good?
McBell
Unbound
Show where the Bible condemned women having an abortion because they just weren't ready to be a mother yet.
Yeah, preferring a popular vote be what determins the presidency is so "authoritarian". Trump can only be president with the EC system because he can't win the popular vote.
Laniakea
Not of this world
So has every president before him.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
That is a strawman argument since I never claimed that. I could just as easily challenge you to show me where the Bible banned abortion. You cannot do so without mistranslating texts.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
No, that only happened a handful of times.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
None. I am not the one doing the sacrificing. I would stop it if I could. I am not a member of the party that sets out to harm others.
Laniakea
Not of this world
Whatever party has members saying, "That is why I smile a bit at the unfortunate suffering of women".
That would be democraps.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Yes, the party that is doing the right thing is happy when the Republicans do the wrong thing and their own members do not like it. You seem to have a difficult time understanding a simple concept.
Republicans are going to do the wrong thing in regards to women almost all of the time. That they are so stupid that they keep doing it even as an election looms makes happy because they are less likely to get away with their lies.
If you knew that a person changed his tune just so that he could get elected and then changed back right after the election you would probably be mad at them. But right now, as I have pointed out, the Republican leadership is to dense to see how they are harming themselves by doing business as usual.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I'm pretty sure that's just you. Most people don't get happy when someone else does the wrong thing and it causes another to suffer. That's going into the realm of the ends justify the means.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I do not think that you fully understand. Right now if the Republicans were smart they would be trying to tone down their public displaying that they do not give a rat's behind about the well being of women. I am happy that they are not hiding their evil ways because that makes it much more likely that they will lose the elections and there will be an end to this evil behavior. Take Kansas as an example. They voted massively to keep the right for abortion. Now that that right is secured in their state that topic is unlikely to be on the top of their list during the election and they are likely to vote Republican. Arizona's Republicans tipped their hand and people will have a clear reason to vote against them. The time to make a change of this nature is just after an election not just before. And you do have to know that most Republicans currently are supporting this sort of evil law.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
What I am trying to infer is why so many women get 1-D, when it comes to abortion. This act is not even natural, so this is not instinctive. The need for an abortion is preventable and therefore subject to will and choice; can be avoided before the need. Getting pregnant is not an air borne disease that is hard to avoid. Like getting STD's, it requires you engage in well characterized behaviors, thereby forewarning you and making it fully preventable. Some couples deliberately try to get pregnant, but have a difficult time. This suggests that women need to step on the tail of the tiger to reach the need for an abortion. Why step on the tail and not just step over?Doubling down on stupid. I guess they intend to lose big in November.
Republican leaders in the Senate removed one bill from the day’s agenda on Wednesday, legislative aides said. In the other chamber, a Republican House member who has done a political about-face and called for striking down the law made a motion to vote on a Democratic repeal bill that has sat stalled for months. But Republican leaders quickly put the House into recess before any vote could be held.
Arizona Republicans Thwart Attempts to Repeal 1864 Abortion Ban
A decision by Arizona’s highest court upholding an 1864 ban on nearly all abortions created chaos and confusion across thednyuz.com
One classic and timeless observation, that may shed light on this subject, is the extent men go, to have sex. Over the eons, the laws of supply and demand for sex; male demand and female supply, have turned this into a cottage industry for women, giving women a special power over men. Whether a man is at a bar meeting strangers, dating, in a relationship, or even married, he has to pay one way or other for sex. Even in marriage if a male wants sex and does not pay this is called rape. To maximize this ego boosting female advantage, women need to have the "open for business" sign, always on, regardless of her dating status. This allows negotiations for sex to begin on a whim for romance, bling, eats and drinks, cash, new furniture, even changes in behavior like a powerful conditioning tool, etc.
Therefore, abortion, in the sense her business, allows a woman to have more open for business time. An unwanted pregnancy can be like a season ending injury for an athlete. Men tend to demand less sex, in proportion to the advancing stages of pregnancy, and this cuts into the bottom line. Like athletes, their careers of maximum trade value are limited, as the bloom fades and new fresh players come up the ranks of adulthood. Married men, who want their child, may be the exceptions to sex and pregnancy, although not in every case.
In this sense, abortion rallies and demonstrations appear to be similar to union strikes among the female franchise merchants. Union strikes can get out of control. These strikes are also a way to get men on board to their business needs; conditional transaction scenario.
As a little advice, instead of these timeless business model for women being so dependent on so many outside people to maximize their industry, abortion and abortion clinics periodically bottleneck supply and demand, it would make more sense for this female industry to become more self sufficient and less subject to the ebb and flow of these market forces beyond their control.
This is why I think that it may be better to gain more individual franchise control over pregnancy, at the ground level. This can be done with better control of business transactions during the fertility cycle; plan better. I would also suggest a safe morning after pill, that you can be get discretely bought online, from open states during ebb and flow years. Abortion clinics make your industry stand out too much, flapping like a flag in the wind, than can bring lingering negative attention. It is like setting up a business in a crime zone.
By pass that "flag" bottleneck, once and for all. This is why allowing the states to decide was good for business. National Law protect state to state commerce, since state to state trade is exempt from the jurisdiction of International Commerce and Customs. Even poor women in business in any state, can shop online. This level of discretion, avoids the fan fare triggers of the brick and mortar neon signs, as well as the political ebb and flow of government that can change with elections.
Making such private business choices discreetly, also protects the do-gooders from their own conscience. What is not seen, is better ignored. This allow for a quieter and safer business environment. California will ship anywhere in the US. Stay below radar.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
The situation is one of schadenfreude for the Republican party, we are happy for their self-inflicted distress in Arizona which is a case of the cows coming home to roost. Their anti-abortion ideas are disgusting, but this success on their part will force them to realize just how bad and unpopular their policies are.
We feel very badly for the women who suffer as a result of this decision, but are grateful for its effect on the larger picture.
These days, the people begging for an authoritarian regime to take away the voice of the people say things like "stop the steal!" and "hang Mike Pence!"
While the Bible's good with abortion, it doesn't really support women making their own decisions.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
So, figuratively, you are suggesting that women are prostitutes, equating sex with business, but...
...medical decisions for females should literally be treated like a business, allowing for differences state-to-state.
The premises here are based on stereotypes and generalizations that lead to a demeaning conclusions: Women are prostitutes because they withhold sex for business transactions (figuratively, though).
And the conclusion removes the right of bodily autonomy for women in states that legislate abortion according to their own values--literally.
While I find optimism in your willingness to support contraception, including the morning after pill, leaving it up to the states still effectively impacts the ability of women to make decisions about their own body. Doesn't this post essentially say that women are prostitutes and it's up to the states to deal with that as they see fit?
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Republicans definately made banning abortion a huge priority for their platform for decades, and they were surely blinded by the fervent demand by the Christian evangelical base. It worked as a cause, but now that they have it as a policy, and the majority of citizens are not supporting it, they don't seem be willing to compromise. They really can't. Those who want an abortion ban are a minority, and to hold onto their support they need to hold onto that position. The conservative base is quite rabid and extreme, and for any republican to be seen as moderate and working with democrats is a career ending risk. So they are trapped at this point.
I wonder how many are actually delusional like Tommy Tubberville (who seems to be truly oblivious to anything that is true and real) and how many are playing politics to survive until November. It really will come down to citizens, and how well informed they are. The Christian extremist will be a block that supports the worst that republicans have to offer. Trump is the worst candidate that is offered, even worse than Kennedy. Trump is scraping the bottom of the septic tank bad. That selection reflects on the conservative voters.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Yeah, and there's nothing to be happy about, even if it increases the odds of a Republican thrashing in November. For many people it's not happy but scary, tense, anxious and fearful. If Republicans were smart Rie v Wade would be standing. But they aren't amd they have an unshakable base that won't be voting third party over dissatisfaction with Biden and Trump.
You're in the realm of looking for ends to justify the means.