I missed it.
Again...
I wonder....Rev Rick, former poster here, taught
his kids to believe in creationism, & to disbelieve
in evolution. Would you call him a child abuser?
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Arkansas inflicts child abuse on its school children
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Again...
I wonder....Rev Rick, former poster here, taught
his kids to believe in creationism, & to disbelieve
in evolution. Would you call him a child abuser?
Deo Vindice
Member
Science is wrong about so much (evolution, age of earth, climate change, vaccines, covid measures, etc.) and distorted by so many hoaxes and agendas that schools might as well drop it altogether.
Not at all. Just that, in the contexts cited, they are indentical in their origin.
You find that significant how?
I don't believe in creationism, and I wouldn't allow my children to be taught such things if I was aware it was happening(schools aren't always real good about keeping parents updated on curriculum around here).
However, just because that's how someone has been taught, it doesn't necessarily mean their education was subpar. In my younger years, I had a friend that was homeschooled in a Christian setting, and he was honestly one of the most intelligent and well mannered people I'd ever met. I met him online when he was in his teens; I thought he was in his 40s based off of his intellectual level and general interests.
I will be disappointed if we get to a point where a person's religious beliefs, or the ones they were raised with makes it acceptable to deny them opportunities in career or schooling.
However, just because that's how someone has been taught, it doesn't necessarily mean their education was subpar. In my younger years, I had a friend that was homeschooled in a Christian setting, and he was honestly one of the most intelligent and well mannered people I'd ever met. I met him online when he was in his teens; I thought he was in his 40s based off of his intellectual level and general interests.
I will be disappointed if we get to a point where a person's religious beliefs, or the ones they were raised with makes it acceptable to deny them opportunities in career or schooling.
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Did he prevent his kids from learning otherwise?
He taught'm to put the winning answers
on the tests, but to not believe.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It becomes that when children need to learn things they are forbidden to learn. Once these kids are adults, many are denied because they don't have the necessary education. And it doesn't just effect evolution, but basically all of science as the Creationist mythos do perpetuate the idea there is a such thing as "evolutionist" or "evolution believer," that accepting evolution is an inherently atheist position, and they learn to say "it's just a theory." They aren't taught how to use science, they are taught to question it and doubt anything that doesn't support the Bible. This is also where the idea comes from that expects evolution to explain the biogenesis of life on Earth. That doesn't bode well for students wanting to make a career of any science. And America already isn't educated enough for that. We have to import intellectuals, academics, and scientists from other countries. It's not entirely all the fault of teaching creationism in school, but it is a part of the problem.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I do believe it is wrong to teach a child what they must believe and to not believe. If you're views are so warped from reality they can't withstand facts and you have to closely guide them away from facts to perpetuate your beliefs, then your views are probably selfish better left in the annals of history, and it shouldn't be taught to children.
I can see the problem if the individual was wanting to get into a science related field. Any college or place of employment that this may affect would have reason to be skeptical. But what if the person wasn't going to college for a science related field? It seems largely irrelevant.
Honestly, a right brained field like art or literature might benefit from some of the colorful imagery a creationist might bring. Probably not my cup of tea, but many artists through the years have been deeply inspired by their religious beliefs.
I still do not believe its a public school's place to teach this... but I'm just not sure it qualifies as abuse, unless they are using these teachings to mentally torment kids with. If my kids were being taught this, I'd probably pull them out of the science classes and teach it myself.
See if you can find something on the Milgram experiment(s) on obedience to authority figures.
So Rev Rick is a child abuser?
Are all Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc, child
abusers for teaching them non-factual beliefs?
That's not an explanation.
I think we must agree to disagree about
teaching creationism being "child abuse".
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amorphous_constellation
Well-Known Member
and then what would happen.. how would the new generation become doctors, or build cars, or do all the stuff , or make all the stuff we use
I remember watching a program by Christiane Amanpour, about fundamentalist Christians. I remember during that program her chatting with an American schoolgirl of about 9 (obviously from what is usually referred to as "the South") about what happens to her little school friends who don't believe in Jesus. "Oh, they go to Hell," she replied, and kept on drawing with true aplomb. This child had been taught, and believed (or so she said), that children she liked and played with are doomed to an eternity of torture.
We can agree to disagree all you like, but I am who I am (and I've told you enough about that already), and when I heard that, I still remember I got a terrible chill right down my spine. This little girl -- to me, admittedly -- had been poisoned, and it felt truly evil to me.
This was a while ago -- I think probably 2007-2008 -- and I believe it was a 3-part series about the rise of Christian fundamentalism in the world.
Just back to the question about teaching creationism versus teaching religious faith: We know -- even to having had the matter tested repeatedly in American courts, that creationism is not science, and should therefore not be taught in science class because to do it there is a lie. I have no objection to creationism being taught along with religious instruction. Though I don't care for religious instruction, I recognize it for what it is, and accept that it's going to be taught no matter what I think. I would have, by the way, no objection to fairies, gnomes and Invisible Pink Unicorns being taught in religious instruction. In fact, I think it would be more honest, less hypocritical. "Religious Instruction 101: Let's Talk About the Things People Believe."
This seems trying to paint teaching creationism
as "child abuse" using an argument based upon
other beliefs. I don't buy it.
Okay. I don't mind. For myself, I'd never lie to kids -- though I might not tell the entire truth, depending on the subject and their age..
I wouldn't presume that religious people lie to their kids.Okay. I don't mind. For myself, I'd never lie to kids -- though I might not tell the entire truth, depending on the subject and their age..
You, I, & they have different sincerely held beliefs.
Disagreeing with you doesn't make anyone a liar.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
I wouldn't call it abuse if they truly think these things are factual. The sad part is that there are adults that believe these things, and no amount of education is going to change what they believe. Being open to learning and growing has to come from within themselves.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
This is one of the areas it is abusive. It violates everyone's freedom from and of religion. Science is science. There is no excuse to teach anything but science in those classes. To teach otherwise is a detriment to students.
Amd keep in mind, the Christian education doesn't stop their. Sex ed is another well known victim of the Religious Right agenda (I was taught a womans vagina is comparable to a piece of scotch tape and gets used up, or is like a piece of chewing gum that gets passed around, and thay was in public school). History, another example, is very warped and biased in a manner that supports the idea that legally America is a Christian nation, all the Founding Fathers were Christian, and anything to change that or lessen Christianity's position is an attack on Christianity itself. It can get so what that I was taught Alexander the Great conquered the world to prepare it for Jesus. They also tend to teach women have an extra set of ribs. No joke. They really do. I can't even begin to tell you how many times I heard it and read it.
Do Men and Women Have the Same Number of Ribs?.