Arkansas inflicts child abuse on its school children

[Shadow Wolf]

I wouldn't call it abuse if they truly think these things are factual. The sad part is that there are adults that believe these things, and no amount of education is going to change what they believe. Being open to learning and growing has to come from within themselves.

This is why I do not agree with Wisconsin v Yoder. It is entirely about the adults, as parents, who get a very strong say so over their child's future, up to potential destroying what the child wants for themselves.
And it does extend beyond religion. Medicine is another area where children have no say and needlessly suffer and die because the parents religious rights are placed above the well being and autonomy of another.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So Rev Rick is a child abuser?
Are all Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc, child
abusers for teaching them non-factual beliefs?

I think it is wrong to mandate your child to believe something and deliberate tell them not to believe something.
That should be for the child to decide. Parental indoctrination--especially when it comes to a myth--serves no one any good.
If an idea can't survive opposing viewpoints to the point it must be sheltered from and programmed against, it's an idea worth leaving behind.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think it is wrong to mandate your child to believe something and deliberate tell them not to believe something.

Welcome to the world of religion.
It's what billions of parents teach their kids.
Child abusers all?
Pbbbttttt!

I'm no fan of religion.
But criminy, it's not "child abuse" for them to believe & teach it.

 

[We Never Know]

I read the quoted law.
Calling it "child abuse" is mischievous.
They just want to teach what they believe,
but the OP doesn't believe. It's wrong for
a different reason from abuse.

Is teaching children any religion also child abuse?
They're all loopy & unscientific after all.

Ask any kid and most will say having to get up early and to go to school is child abuse lol

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Welcome to the world of religion.
It's what billions of parents teach their kids.
Child abusers all?
Pbbbttttt!

I'm no fan of religion.
But criminy, it's not "child abuse" for them to believe & teach it.

Then what do we call it when it impedes a child's progress and right to chose for themselves? Where do they begin as a legal entity and the parent's personal wants end?

 

[JustGeorge]

This is one of the areas it is abusive. It violates everyone's freedom from and of religion. Science is science. There is no excuse to teach anything but science in those classes. To teach otherwise is a detriment to students.
Amd keep in mind, the Christian education doesn't stop their. Sex ed is another well known victim of the Religious Right agenda (I was taught a womans vagina is comparable to a piece of scotch tape and gets used up, or is like a piece of chewing gum that gets passed around, and thay was in public school). History, another example, is very warped and biased in a manner that supports the idea that legally America is a Christian nation, all the Founding Fathers were Christian, and anything to change that or lessen Christianity's position is an attack on Christianity itself. It can get so what that I was taught Alexander the Great conquered the world to prepare it for Jesus. They also tend to teach women have an extra set of ribs. No joke. They really do. I can't even begin to tell you how many times I heard it and read it.
Do Men and Women Have the Same Number of Ribs?.

Would teaching this be child abuse or abuse of the law? It does kind of flabbergast me that any public school could get away with teaching this.

I do agree that there's no reason to teach anything but science in the classroom. But, much to my annoyance, I've had some experiences with my oldest being taught that people who do believe in some religion or the other are all nutters. I didn't appreciate that.

I do know there are a lot of crazies out there who really manage to screw up their children by the way they teach things, especially religion. Its often the loudest and craziest that get noticed, though. I think it depends on area, too. Most of those who were Christian schooled here weren't much different than any other kids. Most I've met have been respectful. I do know the extremes you talk about exist, though. (and I think if they're teaching that attitude towards women in a public school, that could be considered abusive).

Not sure how you'd stop the negative teachings, though, if the parents believe it in their heart. After all, I'm going to teach my sons what I know(or think I know). I think its just parental instinct.

Ask any kid and most will say having to get up early and to go to school is child abuse lol

That's why I don't get my kids out of bed until 11am. (And then I get busy body parents saying that's child abuse. Screw 'em.)

 

[Clara Tea]

Arkansas State House Republicans Pass Bill Allowing Creationism in Science Class

These children will have a lot of catching up to do when they leave school and join to the real world.

Favoring Christianity over science. Why not favor Satanic worship over Christianity and force kids to pray to Satan?

School is for learning to count....1, 2, 3, 47, uh, uh, 46, 41.

School is for learning the A, B, S.

School is for learning logic in order to prove falsehoods (instead of believing falsehoods without proof).

School is for learning Imperial Roman Literature, in case we run into any Romans who speak the dead language of Latin.

You send your daughter off to college to learn Communications, and she comes back knowing big words (so nobody can understand her). I wonder why they call that Communications?

School is where you learn job skills (like watching movies or PE). I thought that PE was about peeing, so I wondered why my grades were so low.

School sports are where you learn sportsmanship (killing the enemy, stomping on them if they stumble, and crying if you lose).

School is where you learn social skills (getting along with others)...stuffing other kids in lockers, putting frogs down little girl's dresses.

School is where you learn the proper grammar to speak Spanish, if only you could speak Spanish. But you could still teach native speakers how to speak it.....it's not taco, its take-o. It's not torteeya, it's tort-ill-a. They thank you very much for your kind offer to teach them, but wonder why they can't understand a word that you say.

There doesn't appear to be any way to mess up the school system any more than it is already messed up. However, the Religious Right is trying to turn public schools into publicly funded Christian schools.

 

[Heyo]

By this standard, all churches are child abusers.
(Except for some Unitarians.)
Jews, Christians, Muslims, Scientologists, Mormons, Hindus,
etc, etc...all are child abusers by reductio ad absurdum.

You've got it. And some add physical abuse to the mental abuse.

 

[Heyo]

Scams have intent to defraud.
These people actually believe this stuff.

The first is a result of the second.
They believe to be right and thus they believe to have the right to indoctrinate kids so they will fail at higher education - because higher education is detrimental to religious belief.

 

[Estro Felino]

There's nothing click bait about it at all. It's totally accurate.

"May teach".
But there can be (hopefully) teachers who teach Evolution only.

 

[firedragon]

Arkansas State House Republicans Pass Bill Allowing Creationism in Science Class

These children will have a lot of catching up to do when they leave school and join to the real world.

Lol. So is this forcing religion at gunpoint or beating physically or something?

But I am interested in knowing what the curriculum is.

 

[firedragon]

The first is a result of the second.
They believe to be right and thus they believe to have the right to indoctrinate kids so they will fail at higher education - because higher education is detrimental to religious belief.

Are you saying that this is all a conspiracy to stupidise the next generation?

 

[Heyo]

I think it is wrong to mandate your child to believe something and deliberate tell them not to believe something.
That should be for the child to decide. Parental indoctrination--especially when it comes to a myth--serves no one any good.
If an idea can't survive opposing viewpoints to the point it must be sheltered from and programmed against, it's an idea worth leaving behind.

I suspect it is due to the US's history with slavery. The notion of owning other people (here children) being OK is still strong there, especially in the South.

 

[Heyo]

Are you saying that this is all a conspiracy to stupidise the next generation?

A conspiracy implies secrecy. This is an open and obvious attempt to stupidise the next generation.

 

[Estro Felino]

I suspect it is due to the US's history with slavery. The notion of owning other people (here children) being OK is still strong there, especially in the South.

No...it's because Darwin's from Europe...(just kidding..).
As always...I believe that the right to a secular education should be one of the most fundamental rights of the child.
When a child becomes an adult , they can choose.

 

[Heyo]

I wouldn't presume that religious people lie to their kids.

I do. While they technically are innocent until proven guilty, experience tells me that meeting lying religious people has a higher chance than them being truthful.

You, I, & they have different sincerely held beliefs.

Which is OK. Only that you and I can state that we have sincerely held beliefs. Religious people too often state that they have the Truth™.

Disagreeing with you doesn't make anyone a liar.

Withholding information is lying by omission.

 

[Heyo]

Are you willing to call every parent who teaches their
child such religious beliefs a "child abuser"?

Thought experiment:
A devout anarchist parent teaches their children that "property is theft" -Pierre-Joseph Proudhon. They encourage their children to take anything they need. And they tell them that anybody who is attached to their things is wrong.

Are they setting their children up for failure?
Would that constitute child abuse?

 

[firedragon]

A conspiracy implies secrecy. This is an open and obvious attempt to stupidise the next generation.

You just redefined the word conspiracy.

Its alright. Cheers.

 

[firedragon]

I do. While they technically are innocent until proven guilty, experience tells me that meeting lying religious people has a higher chance than them being truthful.

So you basically have a bias. Isnt it also a correspondence bias? A cognitive dissonance.

 

[Heyo]

You just redefined the word conspiracy.

Its alright. Cheers.

"noun, plural con·spir·a·cies.
the act of conspiring.
an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result." - Definition of conspiracy | Dictionary.com

Emphasis mine.