Arkansas inflicts child abuse on its school children

[ElishaElijah]

Nope, you screwed up. And yes, there are always people that are willing to profit off of a situation. They could not do so if the situation did not exist. You are now just digging a deeper and deeper hole where you make the racism of those that you agree with more and more obvious. Nice job!

So when someone clarifies you continue in your slander, ok I see how you are and done, thank-you very much

 

[Jose Fly]

I agree and glad these abuse and scandals came out, no excuse for that deception and depravity. Agree clean your own house, this is accross the board and includes our whole society.

It's no more the role of Christians to "clean our whole society" than it is the role of Muslims to do so.

Pointing out error is not condemning people.

Yeah, it is.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I understand how conservative Christians see it that way. Of course, not everyone is a conservative Christian.

Don’t you believe a culture should be decent? I do
We are over the top and progressing towards more perverted behavior, isn’t there anything sacred and good to be preserved.

 

[ElishaElijah]

It's no more the role of Christians to "clean our whole society" than it is the role of Muslims to do so.


Yeah, it is.

So you’re condemning people now?

 

[ElishaElijah]

It's no more the role of Christians to "clean our whole society" than it is the role of Muslims to do so.

Didn’t say it was but everyone has a responsibility to society to speak out against perversion. No one has a problem except when it hits home. Then oh how dare you!

 

[Jose Fly]

Don’t you believe a culture should be decent? I do

I believe a society should be free and secular. What is or isn't "decent" is too subjective to respond to.

We are over the top and progressing towards more perverted behavior, isn’t there anything sacred and good to be preserved.

I can see how you and other fundamentalist Christians see it that way. Thankfully, the country is becoming less Christian and more secular.

So you’re condemning people now?

First, merely noting that it's not the role of Christians to "clean society" is not condemning them. Second, there's a difference between criticizing someone in a debate forum (which is specifically intended for back and forth between people) and doing so unsolicited (e.g., knocking on someone's door).

Didn’t say it was but everyone has a responsibility to society to speak out against perversion. No one has a problem except when it hits home. Then oh how dare you!

So you'd be okay if a group of atheists "spoke out" against the perversion going on in Christian churches? If Muslims "spoke out" against all the things they see wrong with Christianity?

IOW, do you want a society where everyone goes around telling everyone what they think of their lives and choices?

I prefer a society that is more polite and has some measure of privacy and decorum.

 

[ElishaElijah]

So you'd be okay if a group of atheists "spoke out" against the perversion going on in Christian churches? If Muslims "spoke out" against all the things they see wrong with Christianity?

People do, not only that they make up things, take comments out of context and share it with the world on the internet. We have no boundaries and I agree let’s be polite. It’s gossip, slander, confronting people at restaurants their homes, doxing etc.

 

[Jose Fly]

People do, not only that they make up things, take comments out of context and share it with the world on the internet. We have no boundaries and I agree let’s be polite. It’s gossip, slander, confronting people at restaurants their homes, doxing etc.

On the internet it's pretty much "anything goes". When someone complains about the blowback they get from posting something online, I have to laugh and ask, "Why did you put it on the internet then?"

And yes, let's not go around confronting people at their homes and such. When someone goes up to a person's house and starts telling them how awful they are, the proper response is "No one asked you" followed by a door slam.

 

[ElishaElijah]

On the internet it's pretty much "anything goes". When someone complains about the blowback they get from posting something online, I have to laugh and ask, "Why did you put it on the internet then?"

And yes, let's not go around confronting people at their homes and such. When someone goes up to a person's house and starts telling them how awful they are, the proper response is "No one asked you" followed by a door slam.

Well yeah, if your marching in the street with posters and a mega-phone, expect some blowback.

 

[Jose Fly]

Well yeah, if your marching in the street with posters and a mega-phone, expect some blowback.

Yep, that's the nature of public speech. Just as you have the right to march with posters and a megaphone, other people have the right to yell back at you.

That's one of the things I couldn't figure out about the "turn or burn" style street preachers, who go to public events with their "you're all going to hell" signs and megaphones (some extremely loud) that they use to bascially scream at people. I couldn't imagine that approach being very effective, and instead being very counter-productive.

But then someone who used to do that explained the dynamic to me, and how it's not really about gaining converts, but instead is about the street preacher getting the inevitable blowback, surviving it, and then going back to the church with tales of what they endured, thereby demonstrating the strength of their faith.

Rather weird IMO, but it's certainly their right.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Yep, that's the nature of public speech. Just as you have the right to march with posters and a megaphone, other people have the right to yell back at you.

That's one of the things I couldn't figure out about the "turn or burn" style street preachers, who go to public events with their "you're all going to hell" signs and megaphones (some extremely loud) that they use to bascially scream at people. I couldn't imagine that approach being very effective, and instead being very counter-productive.

But then someone who used to do that explained the dynamic to me, and how it's not really about gaining converts, but instead is about the street preacher getting the inevitable blowback, surviving it, and then going back to the church with tales of what they endured, thereby demonstrating the strength of their faith.

Rather weird IMO, but it's certainly their right.

Would you like to grab some lunch, my treat.

 

[Jose Fly]

Would you like to grab some lunch, my treat.

Watcha buying? I like Philly cheesesteaks.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So when someone clarifies you continue in your slander, ok I see how you are and done, thank-you very much

No you made an error. You tried to justify your error, that is not clearing it up. There was no slander since I only used your poor reasoning against you.

The proper thing to do was to own up to the mistake that you made.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Watcha buying? I like Philly cheesesteaks.

What state you in?

 

[Altfish]

When I was in school I learned evolution, creationism, creation (not the same thing) and even something about life coming from other planets. All of those were presented as theories and the teachers left it up to us to make up our minds when we got older and had a better understanding of all that.
Didn't hurt me a bit, on the contrary, it was good to know.

So what do you now believe?

 

[Jose Fly]

What state you in?

Oh sorry...I don't give out personal info in internet forums.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Oh sorry...I don't give out personal info in internet forums.

Alright, Philly Cheese sounds good though

 

[Jose Fly]

Alright, Philly Cheese sounds good though

 

[ElishaElijah]

@Subduction Zone - What you coming for lunch too?

 

[Subduction Zone]

@Subduction Zone - What you coming for lunch too?

Sure, why not.