Arkansas inflicts child abuse on its school children

[McBell]

Maybe you guys need to have a zoom meeting and get your act together so you can come to some sort of agreement.

Maybe if you were to spend one hundredth the energy you spend at your sad attempts at being clever into actually addressing the points...

Not that anyone will be holding their breath...

 

[Subduction Zone]

Are you sure? Are you answering for another member? That can’t be the correct word, Mary was a virgin so that doesn’t work. Naive was what another member said so that won’t work either. Raped? No, that doesn’t work either.

You quoted her and demonstrated that she was naive. And yes, that was the word. I usually avoid words that set off the censor bot. I was surprised that that word was censored. Didn't you at least watch the video where you could have found out that for yourself?

If you demand evidence and then ignore it people will stop supplying any to you and merely point out that behavior.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You quoted her and demonstrated that she was naive. And yes, that was the word. I usually avoid words that set off the censor bot. I was surprised that that word was censored. Didn't you at least watch the video where you could have found out that for yourself?

If you demand evidence and then ignore it people will stop supplying any to you and merely point out that behavior.

You all sound like old white guys that hate women and call them names.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You all sound like old white guys that hate women and call them names.

What? You were the one that described Mary as naive'. You just did not use the term. I do not believe that the real Mary was anything like the fictional character in the Bible.

 

[metis]

I'm still trying to figure out how a person who claims to believe in Jesus supported and still defends the likes of Donald J. Trump. Jesus taught "love one another as I have loved you". whereas Trump still spouts hate, hate, and more hate coupled with utter dishonesty and the instigation and support of the attempt to overthrow the U.S. government on January 6th, and he still spouts the BIG LIE over and over again. And his support of former KGB head Vladimir Putin over our own intelligence agencies should have been more than enough evidence of where Trump really stands.

 

[tas8831]

Great, how about you live like Jesus did for the next 30 years.

How about YOU live like Jesus did, since YOU are one of His followers?

You can start by eschewing the wealthy and your own wealth, caring for the sick and the poor, loving your neighbors (even if they are 'libs' or foreigners), etc.
Betting that won't go over too well - or are you one of those new righty "Christians" who dismisses all of Jesus' teachings that go against righty beliefs by claiming you can ignore THOSE parts because they only pertained to the ancient Hebrews and not right-wing modern day TRUE Christians, 'Merican GQP members!

 

[ElishaElijah]

How about YOU live like Jesus did, since YOU are one of His followers?

You can start by eschewing the wealthy and your own wealth, caring for the sick and the poor, loving your neighbors (even if they are 'libs' or foreigners), etc.
Betting that won't go over too well - or are you one of those new righty "Christians" who dismisses all of Jesus' teachings that go against righty beliefs by claiming you can ignore THOSE parts because they only pertained to the ancient Hebrews and not right-wing modern day TRUE Christians, 'Merican GQP members!

Sorry brother, already living a life pleasing to God with a clear conscience and certainly am not going to be accountable to you. Who made you a judge? You have no clue. But you just set the standard for yourself in your judging, enjoy.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You can start by eschewing the wealthy and your own wealth,

Where did you get this idea from, do you believe this is this a commandment from the Lord for believers?

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

How about letting children learn about as many different ideas as possible. Evolution, creationism and more. Then let them decide what makes sense to them. Why limit what they learn about to only one idea?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry brother, already living a life pleasing to God with a clear conscience and certainly am not going to be accountable to you. Who made you a judge? You have no clue. But you just set the standard for yourself in your judging, enjoy.

Isn't confirmation bias wonderful?

 

[Subduction Zone]

How about letting children learn about as many different ideas as possible. Evolution, creationism and more. Then let them decide what makes sense to them. Why limit what they learn about to only one idea?

Creationism is a myth. It is not science. Science classes are for teaching science. In fact it is technically illegal to teach creationism in schools because it is religion. Now it could be taught in a proper comparative religion class. But Christians tend to oppose those because no religion can take precedence in such a class. There tends to be even more opposition against a proper comparative religion class than there is against the teaching of evolution.

 

[ecco]

It’s you that lacks understanding

You would be better off not saying anything because you’re one of the most ignorant people of Scripture I’ve ever talked to.

Uh huh...
Any post-puberty ninth-grader knows what is meant by:

I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes
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Notice the wording - do to them. Do TO them. Have your way with them. It is not ignorance on my part that is the problem. It is your refusal to understand what is clearly written.

Do you have daughters? Would you give them to an angry group of men to do with as they wanted? It's no excuse that he wanted to protect what he considered to be angels. I'd venture that the angels could have taken care of themselves. As they did.


Uh huh. Anyone with a ninh-grade reading level know what this means:

17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
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It is utterly clear what your God is commanding. These are not my words. It has nothing to do with my interpretation.

How about you read it and comment on it in your own words to show I'm wrong. But you won't.


Reference:

How does your god view women?

With utter disrespect
Genesis 19
8Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes
As prizes to be given to victorious soldiers just like sheep and asses.

Numbers 31
17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

32And the booty, being the rest of the prey which the men of war had caught, was six hundred thousand and seventy thousand and five thousand sheep, 33And threescore and twelve thousand beeves, 34And threescore and one thousand asses, 35And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.

 

[ecco]

You all sound like old white guys that hate women

Riiight. We're the ones hating women. Do you think we wrote:

Genesis 19
8Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes


Numbers 31
17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.​

We didn't. The people who wrote the scriptures that you are so fond of quoting did. The scriptures that you hate for us to quote, because we force you to see, even if just momentarily, how misogynistic and evil the authors of your scripture are.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Uh huh...
Any post-puberty ninth-grader knows what is meant by:
I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes
Notice the wording - do to them. Do TO them. Have your way with them. It is not ignorance on my part that is the problem. It is your refusal to understand what is clearly written.

Do you have daughters? Would you give them to an angry group of men to do with as they wanted? It's no excuse that he wanted to protect what he considered to be angels. I'd venture that the angels could have taken care of themselves. As they did.

So who was going to give his daughters to the men? Here is the text, name the person.

“Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally. ” So Lot went out to them through the doorway, shut the door behind him, and said, “Please, my brethren, do not do so wickedly! See now, I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish; only do nothing to these men, since this is the reason they have come under the shadow of my roof.” And they said, “Stand back!” Then they said, “This one came in to stay here, and he keeps acting as a judge; now we will deal worse with you than with them.” So they pressed hard against the man Lot, and came near to break down the door. But the men reached out their hands and pulled Lot into the house with them, and shut the door. And they struck the men who were at the doorway of the house with blindness, both small and great, so that they became weary trying to find the door.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭19:4-11‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[McBell]

So who was going to give his daughters to the men? Here is the text, name the person.

“Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally. ” So Lot went out to them through the doorway, shut the door behind him, and said, “Please, my brethren, do not do so wickedly! See now, I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish; only do nothing to these men, since this is the reason they have come under the shadow of my roof.” And they said, “Stand back!” Then they said, “This one came in to stay here, and he keeps acting as a judge; now we will deal worse with you than with them.” So they pressed hard against the man Lot, and came near to break down the door. But the men reached out their hands and pulled Lot into the house with them, and shut the door. And they struck the men who were at the doorway of the house with blindness, both small and great, so that they became weary trying to find the door.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭19:4-11‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Lot.
Try reading the text you present....

 

[ElishaElijah]

Riiight. We're the ones hating women. Do you think we wrote:

Genesis 19
8Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes


Numbers 31
17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.​

We didn't. The people who wrote the scriptures that you are so fond of quoting did. The scriptures that you hate for us to quote, because we force you to see, even if just momentarily, how misogynistic and evil the authors of your scripture are.

The people recording the events wrote what happened. Who was the person that offered their daughters?
By your reasoning when a news source reports the news they are guilty of doing the same thing they report.
Then you say I hate you quoting Scripture, wrong on that too, quote away. Learn to think as well.

 

[McBell]

The people recording the events wrote what happened. Who was the person that offered their daughters?
By your reasoning when a news source reports the news they are guilty of doing the same thing they report.
Then you say I hate you quoting Scripture, wrong on that too, quote away. Learn to think as well.

Ah, so you are saying the Bible is flat out wrong when it is written, in the Bible:

So Lot went out to them through the doorway, shut the door behind him, and said, “Please, my brethren, do not do so wickedly! See now, I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish; only do nothing to these men, since this is the reason they have come under the shadow of my roof.”
​

So who is it you are claiming said the words the Bible flat out says that Lot said?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Ah, so you are saying the Bible is flat out wrong when it is written, in the Bible:

So Lot went out to them through the doorway, shut the door behind him, and said, “Please, my brethren, do not do so wickedly! See now, I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish; only do nothing to these men, since this is the reason they have come under the shadow of my roof.”
​

So who is it you are claiming said the words the Bible flat out says that Lot said?

Then why are you saying God views and treats women badly when it’s Lot who did that. Wondering why that example was used, didn’t make sense.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Then why are you saying God views and treats women badly when it’s Lot.

How does the Bible describe Lot?

 

[McBell]

Then why are you saying God views and treats women badly when it’s Lot.

When did I make such a claim?
Fact is, I did not.