Arming Teachers: A college students perspective

[Epic Beard Man]

Utah teacher shoots herself in the leg while at school

Just before 9 a.m., Michelle Ferguson-Montgomery accidentally discharged her gun while using a faculty restroom at Westbrook Elementary School in Taylorsville, the principal said in a letter to students’ parents. The incident occurred before school hours, and no children nor staff were present. The teacher was in legal possession of her gun on school property.

State law allows individuals to obtain a concealed-weapons permit and carry firearms onto school campuses, following the completion of a safety training course. Educators in possession of a weapon on school property must keep it with them at all times to prevent a student from finding the gun in a drawer or cabinet. The law does not, however, permit administrators to identify the faculty members who are eligible for licenses.

A similar incident occurred in another state just last week, when a professor accidentally discharged his handgun and shot himself in the foot while walking on the campus of Idaho State University. A new law that went into effect earlier this year on July 1 allows Idaho residents to carry concealed weapons on college campuses.

A recent report revealed that school violence and gun-related injuries are among American parents’ top 10 concerns nationwide.

On the same day of the accidental shooting in Utah, the Missouri Senate voted to override Gov. Jay Nixon’s veto of a bill that would permit certain educators to carry concealed weapons on school property. When he took a stance against the measure in July, the Democratic governor said educators must be focused on teaching children, and that arming faculty would not improve safety inside U.S. schools.

See:Utah teacher shoots herself in the leg while at school

 

[Epic Beard Man]

A police officer once said on a YT video: It would be hard to tell which one is the bad guy if everyone is having a shootout.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

How is this relevant to the college student's perspective,
given that she taught at a middle school?

Because people like her are already at college campuses....It is quite relevant.


Golden West College professor on leave after video shows her telling couple to 'go back to your home country'

 

[Revoltingest]

A police officer once said on a YT video: It would be hard to tell which one is the bad guy if everyone is having a shootout.

Typically, the shooting is over by the time cops arrive.
Although when hiding behind a concrete barrier, it doesn't
matter if the cop can't tell which is a perp or a defender.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Typically, the shooting is over by the time cops arrive.
Although when hiding behind a concrete barrier, it doesn't
matter if the cop can't tell which is a perp or a defender.

I'm so glad you're not a policymaker...post two different links of professors accidentally discharging their firearm injuring themselves.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm so glad you're not a policymaker...

Likewise.

.....post two different links of professors accidentally discharging their firearm injuring themselves.

Anecdotes can illustrate a problem, but they don't address the larger picture.
You don't show how often these problems occur. Note that I've offered links
to news items which show the efficacy of armed self defense.
Moreover, the problems you cite aren't anything different from when I was
in school in the 70s. Cops mishandling guns...bigoted teachers....it's all
nothing new.

 

[metis]

I'm so glad you're not a policymaker...post two different links of professors accidentally discharging their firearm injuring themselves.

As one who was an educator for 36 years, there's no way I would carry a gun in a classroom even if I was well trained. Too many things can go wrong, plus it is quite a high stress job, let me tell ya, and I saw at least several of them "crack" over those years.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

As one who was an educator for 36 years, there's no way I would carry a gun in a classroom even if I was well trained. Too many things can go wrong, plus it is quite a high stress job, let me tell ya, and I saw at least several of them "crack" over those years.

I'm not sure if you saw my post some time ago but in responding to another poster I told them that teachers/professors have high stress jobs and I've seen some professors break down. It's bad enough that on a college level you have so many students and so many papers to grade, on top of that you have ambitious opinionated students who know everything about the damn world. On top of that you have the politics of work and the bureaucratic bs you have to deal with. Imagine being a teacher like you, for 36 years having a gun and not having to use it, what is the damn point? What is the point of the school spending more money to train teachers on top of having sub stations on campuses? I feel like on a political level conservative right-wingers pander to fear

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Likewise.

Anecdotes can illustrate a problem, but they don't address the larger picture.
You don't show how often these problems occur. Note that I've offered links
to news items which show the efficacy of armed self defense.
Moreover, the problems you cite aren't anything different from when I was
in school in the 70s. Cops mishandling guns...bigoted teachers....it's all
nothing new.

My posts weren't anecdotes but actual incidents that happened and the most recent link actually polled 20,000 parents regarding whether teachers should be armed and majority said no. I guess you missed that. There was even a small poll on whether there should be armed teachers and I said no and 87% of those polled agreed....You have to read the links and stop thinking I'm speaking on personal experience in its entirety. You're obviously not a college student and not saying you wasn't, but the climate is different. There are far too many stressors that exist on college campuses and knowing there are concealed carry teachers just adds one. Knowing someone having a pistol does not make me feel safe, that is that BS gun totting conservatives use because they can't fight with their bare hands so they think guns is the end all to be all.

I suggest all of you watch from :08-22....

"Fear profits in a man, nothing."

 

[sandy whitelinger]

So teachers are adequate for the much more rigorous task of educating children but are too dense to be trained in how to use a firearm. Learning to safely use a firearm isn’t that difficult, minimum wage high school dropout security guards can do it. Besides no one is suggesting compelling teachers to be armed,only to allow those that want to do so the option. As a teacher, and a Marine Corps veteran, I know that I could handle teaching and carrying a weapon at the same time. No problem.

Comparing guns to pencils is inane.

Could also cost lives, while changing the classroom dynamics in every school in America. Sooner or later a student will get shot by a teacher. Sooner or later a gun will be stolen by a student. Is this going to increase the peace of mind for students?

People usually shoot up schools because they have a grudge and/or are mentally disturbed. They don't expect to get away with it. As such, it's probably not going to be a great deterrent, although potentially it could cut short a rampage.

Imo the downside is greater than the upside.

In your opinion, what should an armed teacher do when attacked by a student who is physically stronger than them? Hundreds of teachers are assaulted every year after all.

Learning how to use a firearm and learning how to use a handgun accurately in a tense situation ate two different things.

 

[Revoltingest]

My posts weren't anecdotes but actual incidents that happened.....

They pretty well fit the definition of "anecdote".
Ref....
the definition of anecdote

a short account of a particular incident or event....

.....and the most recent link actually polled 20,000 parents regarding whether teachers should be armed and majority said no. I guess you missed that. There was even a small poll on whether there should be armed teachers and I said no and 87% of those polled agreed....You have to read the links and stop thinking I'm speaking on personal experience in its entirety. You're obviously not a college student and not saying you wasn't, but the climate is different. There are far too many stressors that exist on college campuses and knowing there are concealed carry teachers just adds one. Knowing someone having a pistol does not make me feel safe, that is that BS gun totting conservatives use because they can't fight with their bare hands so they think guns is the end all to be all.

I suggest all of you watch from :08-22....

"Fear profits in a man, nothing."

I'm not watching lengthy videos.
But if the poll is about "arming teachers", I'd contrast this with what
many of us propose, ie, that school staff may volunteer to qualify &
train for concealed carry in schools. Of course, there are many
other useful measures to improve school security too.

 

[PureX]

Actually I think more NRA members would say that the elimination of freedom and autonomy comes from the barrel of a gun, a gun yielded against an unarmed population, and THAT is why they want to keep their right to bear arms.

Yeah, like I said ... idiots.

 

[metis]

I'm not sure if you saw my post some time ago but in responding to another poster I told them that teachers/professors have high stress jobs and I've seen some professors break down. It's bad enough that on a college level you have so many students and so many papers to grade, on top of that you have ambitious opinionated students who know everything about the damn world. On top of that you have the politics of work and the bureaucratic bs you have to deal with. Imagine being a teacher like you, for 36 years having a gun and not having to use it, what is the damn point? What is the point of the school spending more money to train teachers on top of having sub stations on campuses? I feel like on a political level conservative right-wingers pander to fear

I hear ya and fully agree.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

They pretty well fit the definition of "anecdote".
Ref....
the definition of anecdote


I'm not watching lengthy videos.
But if the poll is about "arming teachers", I'd contrast this with what
many of us propose, ie, that school staff may volunteer to qualify &
train for concealed carry in schools. Of course, there are many
other useful measures to improve school security too.

"I'm not watching lengthy videos"

You do realize I said watch from :08 (seconds) to :22 (seconds) smh

You really have no logic to stand on at this point and the evidence is really against you.