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Arming Teachers: A college students perspective
- Thread starter Epic Beard Man
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BSM1
What? Me worry?
Yes, but for safety's sake, you should consider all fingers loaded.
That wouldn’t have happened if we had decent knife control laws. No one should own a assault knife. We also need knife registration. Only those that have had extensive knife training should carry knifes, and even then only law enforcement should have knives. And she would have been safe in a “knife free zone”. I blame the National Knife Association for her beheading.
Especially with the safety off.
Beyond that such a person would be unfit to be a teacher too.
Actually I think more NRA members would say that the elimination of freedom and autonomy comes from the barrel of a gun, a gun yielded against an unarmed population, and THAT is why they want to keep their right to bear arms.
Right cause disarming teachers so they can worry about not having them should they need gives them less to worry about.
The solution is simple....
Teachers who have too much to worry about already will have the option of being unarmed.
Those who aren't so worried, & who are qualified, should be able to be armed.
The worriers shouldn't impose their choice upon others.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
Ir's obvious some of the folks here do not know the climate of colleges today.......
This the point where your argument goes awry. It is not true that sooner or later some student will get shot by a teacher nor that some student will steal a teachers gun. It is not any more likely than that a student will get shot by a armed law enforcement officer or steal their gun. Yet we have armed personnel in our schools now. There are teachers that can use and keep a gun as well as a law enforcement officer. Those are the ones I propose should be armed. Your argument doesn’t hold.
It is even more obvious that some people here, not necessarily you, don’t know much about guns.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Several years ago, a madman in China stabbed 22 children in a classroom and all of them survived. I wonder if he had a AR-15 instead whether it would have ended up the same?
A man who eventually became chief-of-police locally here was stabbed a total of 17 times over his career, and yet he lived. I wonder if he was shot 17 times by an AR-15 whether that would have been the case?
A man who eventually became chief-of-police locally here was stabbed a total of 17 times over his career, and yet he lived. I wonder if he was shot 17 times by an AR-15 whether that would have been the case?
Augustus
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You didn't answer the question.
What should an armed teacher do when they are attacked by a student who is physically stronger than them?
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
This is about a college student's perspective, and apparently some of the individuals here who want to arm teachers are unaware of the various forms of stressors going on at Universities. Let me use the following example of a recent teacher let go and let's see if we want to arm teachers who are willing to be deceitful:
Teacher caught leading a double life as a white nationalist podcaster
The school sought to make sure the novice teacher met standards set by the state of Florida. But the school's surveillance, she said, also made it hard for her to expose her students to an array of white-nationalist views.
"I'm pretty hyper aware that (administrators and colleagues) will be watching. They'll be listening, and so I'm getting a little more underhanded," she said on the Unapologetic Podcast, a white-nationalist show she produced in her free time.
During monitoring sessions, she'd engage in a "dog-and-pony show" for her bosses.
"I knew when they were coming," she told one guest, Lana Lokteff, the host of an anti-Semitic media outlet that the Southern Poverty Law Center said spreads hate speech.
"I was able to anticipate when they would be there to evaluate, and so I did what I was supposed to do. I danced like a little puppet, and I waited until they were gone," she said in the episode, which aired in late February.
For more than a year, Volitich has been leading a double life.
She is a popular white-nationalist podcaster known as Tiana Dalichov who espouses anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and believes that Muslims should be eradicated from the earth, according to HuffPost. She's defended and praised neo-Nazis and white nationalists such as Arthur Jones, Patrick Casey and former KKK grand wizard David Duke. She says she believes that science has proven that certain races are simply smarter than others and decried training about implicit bias in classrooms as "bulls-."
And she is also a social studies teacher at Crystal River Middle School about 80 miles north of Tampa - one who has said it's her duty to expose her students to her version of the truth.
She said she hoped that other like-minded people would infiltrate public schools and do the same thing.
Read the rest of the story: Teacher caught leading a double life as a white nationalist podcaster
There are thousands of teachers with different political and social views than I, but most certainly I do not want to arm a teacher who is a white nationalist and who is willing to lie to infiltrate schools to expose their white nationalism.
Teacher caught leading a double life as a white nationalist podcaster
The school sought to make sure the novice teacher met standards set by the state of Florida. But the school's surveillance, she said, also made it hard for her to expose her students to an array of white-nationalist views.
"I'm pretty hyper aware that (administrators and colleagues) will be watching. They'll be listening, and so I'm getting a little more underhanded," she said on the Unapologetic Podcast, a white-nationalist show she produced in her free time.
During monitoring sessions, she'd engage in a "dog-and-pony show" for her bosses.
"I knew when they were coming," she told one guest, Lana Lokteff, the host of an anti-Semitic media outlet that the Southern Poverty Law Center said spreads hate speech.
"I was able to anticipate when they would be there to evaluate, and so I did what I was supposed to do. I danced like a little puppet, and I waited until they were gone," she said in the episode, which aired in late February.
For more than a year, Volitich has been leading a double life.
She is a popular white-nationalist podcaster known as Tiana Dalichov who espouses anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and believes that Muslims should be eradicated from the earth, according to HuffPost. She's defended and praised neo-Nazis and white nationalists such as Arthur Jones, Patrick Casey and former KKK grand wizard David Duke. She says she believes that science has proven that certain races are simply smarter than others and decried training about implicit bias in classrooms as "bulls-."
And she is also a social studies teacher at Crystal River Middle School about 80 miles north of Tampa - one who has said it's her duty to expose her students to her version of the truth.
She said she hoped that other like-minded people would infiltrate public schools and do the same thing.
Read the rest of the story: Teacher caught leading a double life as a white nationalist podcaster
There are thousands of teachers with different political and social views than I, but most certainly I do not want to arm a teacher who is a white nationalist and who is willing to lie to infiltrate schools to expose their white nationalism.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
I'm a gun owner myself but what does that have to do with the fact that I personally do not want my professors concealing them?
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
It's also apparent to me Puppet master, that you masquerade as being Jewish
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Lotta begging the question here.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
So when crisis struck 650 miles away at Dalton High School, the online tactics of the Georgia students looked remarkably familiar — even though the shootings bore no resemblance to each other.
It wasn't immediately clear what had driven the teacher kids called "Mr. Davidson" to act violently......
The principal, Steve Bartoo, tried to unlock the door with a key, but Davidson "slammed the door before I could open it and said, 'Don't come in here, I have a gun,' " Bartoo said at a televised news conference.
Bartoo put the school into lockdown mode, and soon after, Davidson "apparently fired a shot from a handgun through an exterior window of the classroom," Dalton police spokesman Bruce Frazier said at a separate news conference. "It did not appear that it was aimed at anybody."
The Dalton students immediately turned to social media to take issue with Trump's calls to arm teachers.
"I have been raised in a more conservative household, but due to the recent shootings and everything that has been happening I have been more and more for gun control," said Henry, the 17-year-old junior. "After today, I believe that as a nation we need to better secure our schools and keep the kids safe. If that means to increase gun laws, then so be it."
After their teacher fires a gun at school, Georgia students use opportunity to challenge Trump’s proposal
How is this relevant to the college student's perspective,
given that she taught at a middle school?
This points out a need for teachers to have some device to alert others of needing assistance.
One of those help-I've-fallen-&-I-can't-get-up panic buttons.