Article, “Internal Proofs of Bible Authenticity”

[Audie]

First of all you cant prove what didnt happen, only what did. Second of all just about every culture on earth has record of the flood

Sure can prove things that did not happen.

Many cultures have mermaids and little preople.

 

[Subduction Zone]

First of all you cant prove what didnt happen, only what did. Second of all just about every culture on earth has record of the flood

That is not true at all. Where did you get that idea from? I can name various scenarios where a lack of evidence refutes a claim. People often get the saying wrong, the proper saying is:

A lack of evidence is not necessarily evidence of nonexistence.

If an event predicts massive evidence then the lack of that evidence can show that it never happened.

 

[Audie]

That is not true at all. Where did you get that idea from? I can name various scenarios where a lack of evidence refutes a claim. People often get the saying wrong, the proper saying is:

A lack of evidence is not necessarily evidence of nonexistence.

If an event predicts massive evidence then the lack of that evidence can show

Give some examples

 

[Subduction Zone]

Give some examples

I was waiting for a response. But just for you here is one. A friend calls and tells you that a large bomb just blew up a major building in your city. You drive to the location. The building is still there. There are no police, no fire trucks, no ambulances. There is no sign of any disturbance at all. There is only a "lack of evidence" of an explosion. Was the bomb claim refuted by that lack of evidence?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

For whatever its worth, the Jewish concept of Gehenna (greek) or Gehinnom (Hebrew) refers to a TEMPORARY hell where we are purified for the resurrection and the world to come. It is far, far more similar to the Catholic idea of Purgatory than to the idea of an eternal hell where the torture never ends.

I appreciate your input.

As you are probably aware, the origin of Gehenna is from the valley of Hinnom the traffic dump outside of Jerusalem. It’s where the ancient Jews dumped trash and the dead bodies of criminals, not worthy of a burial.
The Biblical use of Gehenna as a symbol - and the way Jesus spoke of it - corresponds to that of “the lake of fire” in Revelation 20:14, 15. AKA, the second death.

There no such word for Purgatory in Scripture! It’s a human construct… whoever made it up, was thinking of the disparity between Heaven, and Hell… and that those two are all there is! IOW, If one person is just a little better than another, yet off he goes to eternal bliss; but the other, not quite as good, goes off to eternal torment. So, the “in-between “ place was created.

What crazy ideas!

The Hebrew word that most closely corresponds to the greek word Hades would be Sheol, the abode of the dead, sometimes translated as the netherworld. It is neither heaven nor hell, and is believed to be below the earth.

The Hebrew Sheol & the Greek Hades are both translated as Hell in some Bibles, such as the Douay-Rhiems version.

 

[Audie]

I was waiting for a response. But just for you here is one. A friend calls and tells you that a large bomb just blew up a major building in your city. You drive to the location. The building is still there. There are no police, no fire trucks, no ambulances. There is no sign of any disturbance at all. There is only a "lack of evidence" of an explosion. Was the bomb claim refuted by that lack of evidence?

Ah. Like the lack of evidence that there was a volcano eruption in Kansas state USA
at the time ofvJuliusvCaessr. Or ever.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

As you are probably aware, the origin of Gehenna is from the valley of Hinnom the traffic dump outside of Jerusalem.

Words commonly have more than one unrelated meaning. Think "bat" (a flying mammal or a stick to hit a ball with). Hebrew is no different.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ah. Like the lack of evidence that there was a volcano eruption in Kansas state USA
at the time ofvJuliusvCaessr. Or ever.

That too. And Kansas, like Minnesota, has a ton of water wells. When a well is drilled the driller keeps a log of materials hit on the way down. Eons ago when I was a young lad I worked for the Minnesota Geological Survey both changing written logs into logs on a statewide computer database that gave us a very good picture of what happened underneath the surface of the state and putting the location of those wells on maps that could also be computer scanned. That was way back in the late 1970's. With a log and an exact location we knew the local geology to the base of that well. I am sure that Kansas had a similar program so even claiming "It all eroded down" would not fly. They would have a record of it even if that happened.

 

[Audie]

That too. And Kansas, like Minnesota, has a ton of water wells. When a well is drilled the driller keeps a log of materials hit on the way down. Eons ago when I was a young lad I worked for the Minnesota Geological Survey both changing written logs into logs on a statewide computer database that gave us a very good picture of what happened underneath the surface of the state and putting the location of those wells on maps that could also be computer scanned. That was way back in the late 1970's. With a log and an exact location we knew the local geology to the base of that well. I am sure that Kansas had a similar program so even claiming "It all eroded down" would not fly. They would have a record of it even if that happened.

Funny…one summer I was at a well site in western Kansas.

Gotze-Ehrlogger I think was the driller?

I saw how to do mud logging. Shale, marl, limestone, vugular limestone, the Mowata, the bindera,
the smell,of fresh crude, bits of crinoid stem, bits of pyrite…

As turned out there was good oil but the formation was so
thin there wasn’t enough to pump.

 

[clara17]

Sure can prove things that did not happen.

Many cultures have mermaids and little preople.

and of course you cant prove those didnt happen either. You can say youve never seen these things and theyre very unlikely, but thats very different from proof. And we are talking about a flood, which most culture have record of, not something fanciful

 

[clara17]

That is not true at all. Where did you get that idea from? I can name various scenarios where a lack of evidence refutes a claim. People often get the saying wrong, the proper saying is:

A lack of evidence is not necessarily evidence of nonexistence.

If an event predicts massive evidence then the lack of that evidence can show that it never happened.

total bs.

 

[Subduction Zone]

total bs.

How so? You just put the burden of proof upon yourself. Ironically I can show how you claim that God is a liar.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are referring to the present. We are talking about the distant past.

So what? That does not help you. Evidence often does not care about how far in the past an event occurred.

 

[clara17]

So what? That does not help you. Evidence often does not care about how far in the past an event occurred.

I said proof, youre changing to evidence. Big difference.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I said proof, youre changing to evidence. Big difference.

You are misusing the word "proof". Technically proof is a mathematical term. In the real world there is no absolute proof of anything. There is only evidence.

 

[clara17]

You are misusing the word "proof". Technically proof is a mathematical term. In the real world there is no absolute proof of anything. There is only evidence.

oh good, then we agree on what I said in the first place

 

[Audie]

and of course you cant prove those didnt happen either. You can say youve never seen these things and theyre very unlikely, but thats very different from proof. And we are talking about a flood, which most culture have record of, not something fanciful

You don’t find anything fanciful in the Noah’s ark story?

I certainly can prove far beyond any reasonable, or even sane doubt that the
story in genesis is a myth, did not happen.

 

[clara17]

You don’t find anything fanciful in the Noah’s ark story?

I certainly can prove far beyond any reasonable, or even sane doubt that the
story in genesis is a myth, did not happen.

No. Go ahead.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

and of course you cant prove those didnt happen either. You can say youve never seen these things and theyre very unlikely, but thats very different from proof. And we are talking about a flood, which most culture have record of, not something fanciful

Occam's razor--the simplest explanation is the best.

Fact: flood myths exist in a lot of cultures.
Explanation A: this is because local floods occur.
Explanation B: a worldwide flood occured.

It's pretty obvious which is more likely.

 

[clara17]

Occam's razor--the simplest explanation is the best.

Fact: flood myths exist in a lot of cultures.
Explanation A: this is because local floods occur.
Explanation B: a worldwide flood occured.

It's pretty obvious which is more likely.

what do you mean flood myths?