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As Arranged, Trump Has Been Acquitted

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
The Dumbocrats didn't even accomplish that, because Trump is forever ACQUITTED.

All that exercise showed was how deranged the stiff-necked Dems were to have brought it forward in the first place.
He's also forever impeached. Exactly like Bill Clinton. :eek:
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
You live in a fairy tale world. The only thing holding the judgement of God against the world is the presence of the Christians on the earth. Once that is taken away, and it will be as I showed you, it is nothing but judgement.

Good-Ole-Rebel
I know what sounds like the fairy tale to me.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
There are still places on the earth today where you can live where they have rejected or not accepted the Christian faith. You are free to go there and live. Why don't you?

Good-Ole-Rebel
Why should anyone have to when they already live in one of the only countries founded on a secular Constitution?
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Wow...Native Americans have been impacted by Christianity. If you can find a Reservation where their are no churches, and they adhere to their past pagan culture, then try and go and live there.

Europe was impacted by Christianity from King to pauper. Just because it is but a shell of what it used to be, does not remove the impact Christianity had upon it. And the pagans there are enjoying a society that Christianity built.

Wow.

Good-Ole-Rebel
That didn't work out so well for them, now did it? :rolleyes:
That's not really helping you make your point.
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
I have no reason to believe that, and neither do you, but that's where we part ways. You don't need a reason to believe things. You are willing to believe whatever you hope is true.



Once again, I have no reason to believe any of that, and once again, neither do you.

And I consider my moral code superior to the Christian one. You call yourself righteous, but I don't. You support an ideology that has made you a bigot. There is nothing righteous in maligning every member of a demographic that is largely hard-working, law-abiding, decent people trying to support their families and communities. This applies to both gays and atheist, two groups your church targets for scapegoating.

Your religion teaches you to hate them and call it love, to persecute them and call it helping. I don't do that. Why? Because being a bigot is not righteous. It's the opposite.

You were just seen defending biblical slavery. I don't do that, either. But you do. Slavery is immoral, but your god never god the memo.

How about you naming a single moral principle original to the words attributed to Jesus that the rest of the world agrees is a keeper. This is supposedly a god with perfect understanding, yet the ethics of secular humanism runs circles around that ancient ideology. You'd be doing more with slaves than merely defending slavery if an alternative method to consulting scripture didn't exist to tell your church that slavery is not righteous.



This was written by a man named Richard Banford

"Do you know his name? Sure you do. He talks to you every day. You could not live a normal life without him. You believe in him, whether you like it or not. Unless you abandon him completely, you cannot deny he exists.

"My god is a more personal god than yours can ever be, for if you have enough sense to understand these words, my god lives within you. He lives within us all, to some degree. A heartbreaking few cannot understand him, but this is not their fault. The real tragedy is the multitudes who ignore much of his counsel, particularly when he questions your god too deeply.

"My god has been around longer than your god. He was here before the many other gods that preceded your god. Though you will likely scoff at the notion, my god was the father of your god, as he was to all gods. But that was long ago when he was young and not yet sure of himself. Though many of your god's followers try to hold him down, my god grows stronger and more independent each day.

"When your god expelled us from paradise for eating an apple, my god taught us to grow our own fruit.

"When your god forbade knowledge, demanding we live in ignorance, my god created books.

"When your god smote cities like a tantrum-prone child, my god helped to rebuild them.

"When your god insisted the world was flat, my god showed his followers it was round, to their peril at the hands of your god's followers.

"While your god watched in silence as children sickened and died, my god created medicines to make them well.

"When your god winked and nodded at slavery, my god argued passionately against it.

"While your god represses half the human race, my god considers woman to be the equal of man.

"When your god only helps those who help themselves, my god rolls up his sleeves and actually does help until your god decides to join in, and then steals all the credit.

"When your god inspired great buildings and great art, my god made them possible.

"While your god says we are all born sinners, tainted before we even draw breath, my god says we are all born innocent; a clean slate with limitless potential.

"While your god offers dubious allusions of an afterlife, my god provides for us here in this life.

"While your god makes amazing promises, but offers not a shred of proof, my god performs amazing deeds, and the proof is there to be seen by all.

"While your god demands blind faith and obsequious obedience, my god encourages questions, even about himself.

"When your god says "Thou shalt not," my god says "You can do anything."

"My god is reason. He does more in a day than your god will ever do."

That's a whole bunch of horse manure. And you won't find God in a test tube.

And I do have legitimate reasons to believe. I've done the in-depth due-diligence you refuse to do.
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
It looks to me like San Francisco is carrying a cross.
Their efforts to take care of "the Least"(the poor, the mentally ill, the immigrants), in a country dominated by "Christian" Capitalists has come at a high cost.

I'll tell you what's coming at a high cost - sanctuary cities harboring criminal illegal aliens, some of whom kill American citizens.

I just wish liberals would love Americans as much as they love criminal illegal aliens.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
That's most of the world in regards to Western culture in general. And, what matters is now. Because much of the world has also been influenced by the Ancient Greeks and Romans, Egypt, Mongolians, Africa, and pretty much every culture that hasn't been isolated has influenced and effected to others.
But, we can look at when society has been more Christian. It wasn't as good as what we have today.
Hmm, we could look at the period when "The Church" ran the show everywhere. How did that work out for everyone? ;)


"Many religions now come before us with ingratiating smirks and outspread hands, like an unctuous merchant in a bazaar. They offer consolation and solidarity and uplift, competing as they do in a marketplace. But we have a right to remember how barbarically they behaved when they were strong and were making an offer that people could not refuse.'
-Christopher Hitchens
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
I just wish liberals would love Americans as much as they love criminal illegal aliens.
I wish Americans loved children, the poor, and the dispossessed as much as they love their cars, churches, guns, politics.

But I'm not holding my breath. Christian Capitalists rule.
Tom
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Hmm, we could look at the period when "The Church" ran the show everywhere. How did that work out for everyone? ;)
That's how it should be looked at. Not this "well, even changes after the Church lost power and don't run the state anymore and the state is ran in a way that is contradictory to Biblical law still counts, so a hypothetical all atheist society that was once Christian still counts as Christian."
Now, the worst part of that is it is very similar to a radical Islamic view that once a society is Muslim is must always remain so. Even in the OT, if a city worships Jehovah and then another god, kill them all.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
That's a whole bunch of horse manure. And you won't find God in a test tube.

And I do have legitimate reasons to believe. I've done the in-depth due-diligence you refuse to do.
It's so darned manure-y that you just couldn't bring yourself to refute a single one of the points?
:rolleyes:
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Do you really think you'll change anything? Indoctrination runs deep in their minds.

No, I have no expectation of changing any belief held by faith. All I have to offer is reason and evidence, and the faith-based thinker isn't interested. He didn't come to his present position by that path, and can't be budged from it by appealing to reason and evidence.

Actually, I don't post to those people, even though I hit reply and address their posts. I'm writing to people like you that might be interested in a reasoned argument.

you won't find God in a test tube.

Or anywhere else. Your god has been disproven by both reason and evidence. Evolution is a correct theory, and doesn't allow for your god to exist.

I do have legitimate reasons to believe. I've done the in-depth due-diligence you refuse to do.

No, diligence is not a part of faith - just the will to believe. It's not a virtue to believe without sufficient reason. It's an abdication of your responsibility to yourself. Evolution gave you the ability to observe evidence and apply reason to it because it gave your ancestors that used it to decide what is true about the world and how best to navigate life a selective advantage. You traded that for magic beans and a promise that can't be verified and won't be kept. Hardly due diligence.

I, however, have done my in-depth due diligence, which is why I am no longer a Christian. I traded up three decades ago, and have been quite content with the outcome ever since. What do you think that you or your religion have to offer those that have outgrown it?
 

Good-Ole-Rebel

*banned*
That's not a rebuttal. That's waving your hand at an argument. The argument supporting the claim that they are sister ideologies stands unrebutted.



Why would I read the Mayflower compact to see the founding principles of America? They're in the Constitution, which, as I reported in ignored detail, has nothing in common with biblical scripture.

If none of you will address the specifics of the argument, it must be a good one. Show me the biblical scriptures that are the source of the US Constitution. You can't and haven't because they don't exist.



The Spanish Inquisition was impacted by Christianity, and it wasn't too pleasant for anybody but sadists.



I always have, two of them. I wouldn't live under a Christian theocracy.

Call it whatever you like. Christianity and Islam are in no way the same.

When you go to the principles upon which America was founded on, you start at the beginning. Do yourself a favor and read the Mayflower Compact. The whole Bible are the Scriptures that are the source of American government and the Constitution. The people were a God fearing, Christian people. Thus that reflected on the govenment they create.

When the Supreme Court justice is sworn in, it is with right hand in the air and left hand on the Bible swearing an oath to God. The God of the Bible. Did you see the impeachment process? Did you watch the chief justice get sworn in?

But your not living under any 'Spainish Inquisition'....are you?

Good to hear. That's a win win for both of us.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 

Good-Ole-Rebel

*banned*
Why should anyone have to when they already live in one of the only countries founded on a secular Constitution?

Secular is not to be identified as atheist or even anti-christian. Just because the Constitution recognizes the division between church and state, doesn't mean the people who created it were not Christians. Even in Israel in the Old Testament. The King was never to intrude in the office of the priesthood. Saul did and died for it. Though that is a division to be recognized, the Israeli people were still the people of God. The King was of God.

Good-Ole-Rebel

That didn't work out so well for them, now did it? :rolleyes:
That's not really helping you make your point.

I think it proved the point very well.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 

Good-Ole-Rebel

*banned*
Sure they are.
They're both quite modern(compared to Judaism). They're blends of ancient Abrahamic religion and the pagan religions of the day. They're both empire building religions, created by and for warlords.

Oh yeah, Islam and Christianity have a huge amount in common.
Tom

Oh no, Christianity and Islam have nothing in common.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 
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