Thanks,the formula of the Child is interesting,it reminds me of the Greek Gods and Perseus.
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Thanks,the formula of the Child is interesting,it reminds me of the Greek Gods and Perseus.
Jacksnyte
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Octavia156
OTO/EGC
Octavia156
OTO/EGC
1) There is only one dogma in Thelema: Thou hast no right but to do thy Will. This is one of many paradoxes in our system. Thelema advocates total freedom implying you can do anything possible. The moral implications are simply that you can do Nothing BUT your Will.
2) Undisciplined. But can be poweful if used in accordance with your Will.
3) Creating a temple space, incense candles talismans etc. Robing. Silencing the mind.
4) RE God: "There is no god but Man" I like Levi's idea that we are "the mind of a god in the body of an animal." My own metaphysics on the soul and existance is so lenghty I need more time to answer this one. Awesome question!
5) A Thelemite should practise Thelemic magick as often as he/she can - that being: becoming conscious of every thought and word and deed, to check whether they are in accordance with your Will and not a product of desire or social imprinting. (my most common desire is to be lazy)
In terms of practising Thelemic Cermonial Magick - as often as they choose. It can be a very useful way of tapping into the "Thelemic current", and it trains the mind. Ritual magick is an Art, just like Yoga or Thai Chi. Its a powerful way of tapping into your internal energy.
Regular disciplioned practise of rituals like Liber Resh and Star Ruby are a perfect way of constanly reminding yourself of the ultimate attainment, and shakes you out of the mundane and keeps you swicthed ON
6) Do what thou Wilt. The answer is No. Practise what you are good at. However I would point out Crowley's rituals are a work of genius, and well worth the experience!
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Gjallarhorn
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Octavia156
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Jacksnyte
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Definitely not written by someone in a Thelemic Order. Doesn't really make sense
It's a joke written by someone who has had extensive dealings with Thelemites over the years. Chaotes tend to include some degree of humor in most endeavors.
Octavia156
OTO/EGC
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Thanks for all the excellent questions everyone. I should clarify the views expressed are mine only - and therefore not representative of Thelemites worldwide.
Love is the law, love under will
O xx
Thanks for all the excellent questions everyone. I should clarify the views expressed are mine only - and therefore not representative of Thelemites worldwide.
Love is the law, love under will
O xx
GabrielWithoutWings
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Are there any youtube channels or users that you recommend for commentary and / or ritual examples?
GabrielWithoutWings
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Also, I was looking at the litany of the saints of the Mass. I noticed that both Buddha, Muhammad, and Lao Tzu are mentioned along with a horde of Gnostic leaders but Jesus isn't mentioned at all. Is there any specific reason for this?
Octavia156
OTO/EGC
I don't watch many myself... I've heard there are some awesome ritual performances on there like this one is really good:
Liber V Vel Reguli - YouTube
There are some interesting bits and pieces (song mainly) from Lon Milo DuQuette.... lonmilo - YouTube
And I enjoyed this talk from T. Churton on AC - though its not about ritual
1/2 Tobias Churton: Aleister Crowley - Spiritual Revolutionary, Occult Master, Spy... - YouTube
i'm sure there much more out there than this! let me know if you find anything good!
Octavia156
OTO/EGC
Yes, I'm sure there is.
I'll give you my best interpretation, but will check with am EGC Bishop at the next opportunity
It all comes down to what is happening in the Gnostic Mass at the time of the reading of the list of Saints.
I've often heard people accuse the Gnostic Mass of being male dominated - "look at the Saints! not one woman!"
However one has to understand that during the Collects (of which one is the Saints) the Priest has fallen into a trance at the sight of the Goddess Nuit, and is on his knees unable to continue... call it a kind of stage fright, he's starstruck by the goddess
During the reading of the Saints, the Deacon makes a cross after each name, each cross is visualised as shooting forth and entering the Priest, empowering him with the virilaty these great men, real or imaginary. It ends with the line: "May their Essence be here present, potent, puissant and paternal to perfect this feast."
Its this "Super-MAN charge" that gives the Priest the power to make love under will with the Goddess.
So back to Jesus, I reckon he was left out because Crowley didn't see him as a virile force, one that was capable of communing with the Goddess. If we were to take the stories as read, Jesus was a virgin was he not? The other likely possibiliy is that Crowley just couldn't bare getting Christianity anywhere near the Mass. It is understandable given the complete ommision of the feminine principle within its cosmogamy.
What do you think?
GabrielWithoutWings
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I don't buy that. If we were just talking about the canonical Jesus, that's one thing. But as he has included numerous Gnostic teachers, I would assume Crowley would also have a Gnostic understanding of Christ. Christ who laughed at his enemies at death and who possibly kissed the Magdalen.
Also, for someone that didn't want Christianity near the Mass, he sure did appropriate a lot of its elements. If omission of the feminine is the cause of Christ's exclusion, then having Muhammad in the Mass makes no sense.
It still seems inconsistent to me.
GabrielWithoutWings
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Have you read anything by Michael Aquino? Retired from the Temple of Set and formerly of the Church of Satan. I was reading a Thelemite blog and I decided to quick-research the term "black brother." I came upon a description of something called the City of Pyramids. From what I understand, a Thelemite should resist the temptation of reinforcing the ego and should cross the abyss so that you may advance to the top three sefiroth.
I remembered that I read that the Temple of Set has the Order of Horus for those that want to xeper via OTO and A.'. A.'. workings. He mentions something at the end of the description.
"The Order of Horus includes but does not limit itself to a Left-Hand Path training curriculum based on [Crowley]. The primary difference between the [Order] and the traditional AA is that the [Order] assumes that its initiates will choose to become "Black Brothers" and enter the City of Pyramids as self-made and -defined Initiates.
What is your opinion on this as a Thelemite?
I remembered that I read that the Temple of Set has the Order of Horus for those that want to xeper via OTO and A.'. A.'. workings. He mentions something at the end of the description.
"The Order of Horus includes but does not limit itself to a Left-Hand Path training curriculum based on [Crowley]. The primary difference between the [Order] and the traditional AA is that the [Order] assumes that its initiates will choose to become "Black Brothers" and enter the City of Pyramids as self-made and -defined Initiates.
What is your opinion on this as a Thelemite?
Jacksnyte
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As a Thelemite(yes Thelema is compatible with the combination I practice) I would say that the more LHP Thelemic practice would be Kenneth Grant's Typhonian OTO.
GabrielWithoutWings
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I'm not familiar with that. Any basics we should be aware of?
Jacksnyte
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GabrielWithoutWings
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Ive recently finished The Chicken Qabalah by Lon Milo Duquette. I found it an entertaining read. It failed to mention how one is supposed to apply that knowledge in every day life.
What is the practical use of Qabalah in Thelema?
What is the practical use of Qabalah in Thelema?
Jacksnyte
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The short and shallow answer would be that it is used as a sort of filing system for Everything.