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[Spirit of Light]

I have no problem with people abstaining from pork, as I have said, but I did question the ignorance of the superstitious claims made about pigs, since it was based on obvious falsehoods, and just offered some salient facts. It seems some people can't tolerate their claims being contradicted.

If a believer has faith in God, and take the message "do not eat pork" as coming from God.
You as a non-believer has nothing to argue about, just accept that people believe different than you, and move on.

It does not harm you that others do not want to eat certain Foods.

 

[Spirit of Light]

It's a debate forum, so argument is in the definition, and why do you think you can tell others how they should respond? Eat whatever you want, but if you come to a public debate forum, and make claims, then you should expect them to be subjected to critical scrutiny.

There is nice arguments, and there is idiot arguments.

You and your discussion buddies are 95% of the time making idiot claims about faiths you dont hold your self.

Then I will call you out. And tell you that the arguments you use as.

Straw man fallacy, false arguments, and so on, are put on your self and your buddies.

 

[ppp]

It could mean a weak argument, so ehen you or your discussion buddies call something a straw man falacy, they telling the other person that their argument is weak.

What's with all the vitriol? No matter. That's not quite correct. When someone says that you are committing a straw man fallacy, it means that you are misrepresenting them. That the position that they have related to you is not the same as the position you are arguing against.

For instance, If you were to say that our company shouldn't pour oil in the lake because it will kill the fish. And then I were to say that you don't want us to pour oil in the lake because you hate our company and want us to fail. That would be a strawman of your position.

People usually create straw men because they are easier to knock down than their opponents actual position.

When someone says you build a straw man, it means that the thing you're arguing against is not the thing that they said.

 

[Spirit of Light]

What reason do I have to believe that you see, or have the capability to see the existence of any gods?

You dont have a reason because you can not see or believe it your self, you havecto be able to have faith and belief.

And you have non of it.

 

[Spirit of Light]

What's with all the vitriol? No matter. That's not quite correct. When someone says that you are committing a straw man fallacy, it means that you are misrepresenting them. That the position that they have related to you is not the same as the position you are arguing against.

For instance, If you were to say that our company shouldn't pour oil in the lake because it will kill the fish. And then I were to say that you don't want us to pour oil in the lake because you hate our company and want us to fail. That would be a strawman of your position.

People usually create straw men because they are easier to knock down than their opponents actual position.

When someone says you build a straw man, it means that the thing you're arguing against is not the thing that they said.

So you see. You HAD TO correct my state ment, because you cant handle that othets see it different than your self...It is laughable

Poor kid...

 

[ppp]

You dont have a reason because you can not see or believe it your self, you havecto be able to have faith and belief.

I don't think that's faith is a valuable thing. Either. Is always telling someone else earlier, faith is unreliable. You may as well be flipping a coin.

As for belief, All that belief means is that you are convinced of something. There are good reason to be convinced, and there are bad reasons to be convinced. Faith, being unreliable, is a bad reason.

 

[ppp]

So you see. You HAD TO correct my state ment, because you cant handle that othets see it different than your self...It is laughable

Poor kid...

Why are you so upset about that? Wouldn't you rather have an accurate understanding of what people mean when they say straw man? What offends you so much about that?

 

[Spirit of Light]

I don't think that's faith is a valuable thing. Either. Is always telling someone else earlier, faith is unreliable. You may as well be flipping a coin.

As for belief, All that belief means is that you are convinced of something. There are good reason to be convinced, and there are bad reasons to be convinced. Faith, being unreliable, is a bad reason.

You see "YOU dondt think it is, so then others can notvthinknor believe"

I tell you...you do not have a right tobtell others what they CAN or CAN NOT believe.
You can ask why do you believe so or so, and they answer i believe so and so because......

Your answer should be " ok, thank you for explaining it to me" and nothing wrong happen.

Butvyou cant do that because you HAVE TO be correct.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Why are you so upset about that? Wouldn't you rather have an accurate understanding of what people mean when they say straw man? What offends you so much about that?

I am not upset at all i having a blast bugging the hell out of you and the others in your non-believers gang

This is fun....

 

[ppp]

I tell you...you do not have a right tobtell others what they CAN or CAN NOT believe.
You can ask why do you believe so or so, and they answer i believe so and so because......

Where have I told anyone what they can or cannot believe? As far as I know, I don't have that power.

 

[ppp]

I am not upset at all

I don't believe you.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Where have I told anyone what they can or cannot believe? As far as I know, I don't have that power.

Look at what you said in #686 and you have the answer

 

[Spirit of Light]

I don't believe you.

You are funny today

 

[ppp]

Look at what you said in #686 and you have the answer

Ok.

I don't think that's faith is a valuable thing. Either. Is always telling someone else earlier, faith is unreliable. You may as well be flipping a coin.

As for belief, All that belief means is that you are convinced of something. There are good reason to be convinced, and there are bad reasons to be convinced. Faith, being unreliable, is a bad reason.

I don't see any text in there that tells you what to do. Let alone what you can or cannot do. If you think you do, point it out.

 

[ppp]

You are funny today

I am funny every day

 

[Spirit of Light]

Ok.

I don't see any text in there that tells you what to do. Let alone what you can or cannot do. If you think you do, point it out.

You say faith is unreliable (to you )
You may as well flip a coin (again thats all it is to you)

It does not matter to a believer what you as a non-believer think about faith and belief

 

[ppp]

You say faith is unreliable (to you )
You may as well flip a coin (again thats all it is to you)

No. I said the faith is unreliable. Without qualifiers.
How does this me telling you what you can or cannot do?
I suspect that you were simply lashing out earlier and will never be able to answer that question.

Just because I don't agree with you does not mean that I'm out to get you. You should learn the difference.

 

[Spirit of Light]

No. I said the faith is unreliable. Without qualifiers.
How does this me telling you what you can or cannot do?
I suspect that you were simply lashing out earlier and will never be able to answer that question.

Just because I don't agree with you does not mean that I'm out to get you. You should learn the difference.

Do i feel you or others are "out to get me" No, not at all.

Honestly I have reason to take you or other non-believers (the 3-4 i spoke about before) in your group seriously when it comes to religious or spiritual discussion/debates.

Not for a moment

 

[ppp]

No. I said the faith is unreliable. Without qualifiers.
How does this me telling you what you can or cannot do?
I suspect that you were simply lashing out earlier and will never be able to answer that question.

@Seeker of White Light Thanks for the confirmation. Good night.

 

[KWED]

I'm surprised you don't claim greed is abstract, as you do money..

Greed is kind of an abstract concept.