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[ppp]

And who's problem is that a non-believer in a religious forum find it a bit difficult to find peace?

Sounds like someone can't handle it well.

Who said anything about in a religious forum? I have no problem in with it in a religious debate forum. But I do have problems with people who are so insecure their own beliefs that they have to alter what I said in order to respond. But I am sure that you did not do that; but merely missed my saying that this is a problem in the real world.

 

[ppp]

Just walk away but this was my sincere thread about those who want to learn about Islam.

I don't doubt that you're sincere, but it sounds like you want people who will quietly listen to you lecture about Islam. A forum specifically marked out for debate seems an odd place to start such a thread. Almost like it specifically situated to draw dissension to give you an excuse to complain.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Who said anything about in a religious forum? I have no problem in with it in a religious debate forum. But I do have problems with people who are so insecure their own beliefs that they have to alter what I said in order to respond. But I am sure that you did not do that; but merely missed my saying that this is a problem in the real world.

Oh the problem is both in the real world and in RF where non-believers hearing only what they want to hear when a believer speak, then the words get twisted because the non-believer do not want to actually hear what the believe do believe.

It happens with 3-4 non-believers every day in RF and probably outside of RF too with the same guys

Just let the believers believe what they do, if you are not interested in hearing what they actually trying to tell you.

 

[MyM]

I don't doubt that you're sincere, but it sounds like you want people who will quietly listen to you lecture about Islam. A forum specifically marked out for debate seems an odd place to start such a thread. Almost like it specifically situated to draw dissension to give you an excuse to complain.

Debate one thing, degrading, ridiculing and insulting is not even worthy of a reply.

If I am asking those who want to know about Islam, of course I will let them know about Islam. It isn't lecturing when people ask sincere questions. But it is indeed wrong for one to demean another because of it.

 

[ppp]

And who's problem is that a non-believer in a religious forum find it a bit difficult to find peace?

Oh the problem is both in the real world and in RF where non-believers hearing only what they want to hear when a believer speak

I said that a constant bombardment and harassment from the religious is a problem in the real world. You responded as though I had said in RF. And when corrected, instead of simply saying, "My bad" and revising your statement accordingly, you change the subject and try to blame non-believers of something that you just did.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I said that a constant bombardment and harassment from the religious is a problem in the real world. You responded as though I had said in RF. And when corrected, instead of simply saying, "My bad" and revising your statement accordingly, you change the subject and try to blame non-believers of something that you just did.

The issue are found both in the real world and in RF.

In the real world non-believers accuse believers for exactly the same as non-believers do in RF.

Lets keep the discussion about within RF.

You can disagree as much you want about religion, but no need to call believers "straw man, disillusioned, fallacy, and so on, just because the non-believers dont see truth in what the believer hold faith in.

 

[ppp]

Debate one thing, degrading, ridiculing and insulting is not even worthy of a reply.

What did I say to degrade you?

 

[ppp]

You can disagree as much you want about religion, but no need to call believers "straw man, disillusioned, fallacy, and so on, just because the non-believers dont see truth in what the believer hold faith in.

So, serious question. If I say to somebody that they have constructed a straw man, what do you think that I mean? I am not trying to embarrass you. I am just trying to determine if what you are hearing is the same as what is being said.

 

[Sheldon]

Here you go hijacking another Islamic post.

This is a public debate forum, I will post as I am minded to.

Go find someone else to complain to about your monkeys to humans.

Make me!!! Humans are apes, and apes are not monkeys. It takes a spectacular level of wilful ignorance not to know this fact. It's odd if your religious beliefs are so perfect, why do so many adherents feel the need to intimidate and bully people into silence when they criticise those beliefs?

This thread was about sincere people who are interested in learning about Islam.

Well now they have learned that pigs and humans share recent common ancestors, and that pigs in the wild are fastidiously clean and intelligent animals, and not dirty as you claimed. Also that the meat of pigs is not going to harm anyone, quite the contrary it can be a nutritious part of our diet.

You on the other hand, just want to cause problems and ridicule and seem to make fun of our belief and others.

Well some beliefs deserve correcting, and your ignorant falsehood about pigs was just such a belief. If you don't want your beliefs subjected to critical scrutiny perhaps a public debate forum is not the place to espouse them, but that is up to you of course, as unlike you I believe everyone should have freedom of speech and expression.

Go bother someone else.

Or what exactly? The religion of peace on full display, unless someone dares offer an opinion you don't like it seems. If you can get this bent out of shape over some correcting facts about pigs, imagine what the reaction might be, when people don't have the right to freely express themselves. You're trying to bully me, and it won't work.

Maybe try praying for me to go away, see if that helps?

 

[Sheldon]

Are you actually trying to claim that people who disagree with you are insincere. You see disagreement as mere malicious ridicule? That is a pretty self centered mindset. People actually have sincere worldviews that do not agree with your own. How can you exist in reality and not know this?

Why do people think it's healthy to ringfence a belief from critical scrutiny I wonder? Anyone that's not what public debate forums are for, no matter how much anyone tries to bully other posters.

 

[Sheldon]

No, am not claiming that at all.

That was precisely what you implied in your post.

But every time I post he intervenes

That's not true at all, you made an ignorant claim, and I responded with some facts, the responses then came from you and I responded in turn.

ridicules and calls everyone a straw man

A straw man is a common logical fallacy. <LINK> I indicate when someone uses such a fallacy, I have not "called anyone a straw man" that's preposterous.

and their views are so below his own.

That one is called an ad hominem fallacy, Try addressing what is said, and not attacking the person saying it.

If you were sincere enough, you would see it as well am sure many do.

Wow, there's a hat trick of logical fallacies in one post, that one is called a no true Scotsman fallacy. Ironically doing precisely what you started that post denying you were doing, and labelling anyone with a view different to your own as insincere.

 

[Sheldon]

Maybe. Maybe you guys like it more then other meat because of the sin factor. Who knows.

I don't "like it more than any other meat", why you make up such a claim? I also don't believe in supernatural curses like sin, as I am an atheist, so you're doubly wrong there. Though to be fair, this is quite a common misconception many theists hold and espouse about atheists. Though is make little sense, since an atheist would have to believe sin was real in order to enjoy doing it, and if someone believes sin is real, then it seems unlikely they'd be an atheist.

 

[Sheldon]

..he must be looking in the mirror

So refuting an idiotic belief or claim gets some apologists all bent out of shape, but petty ad hominem is ok? That's a very odd perspective I must say.

 

[England my lionheart]

Islam was sent as a mercy for mankind. Submission to the only one God, the Creator of the universe, the only one worthy of worship. Our duty upon this earth is to worship Him although we do not see Him, but we know He sees us.

If you have any questions regarding Islam, send a post here or in private and I will try to get back to you as soon as I am available.

Thank you,

MyM

As a Muslim lady would you say you are equal to men?.

 

[Sheldon]

Sounds like it is difficult for some non Muslims to accept that in islam pigs are Haram, non Muslims soes not have to like or follow the haram rule, but maybe the just can't let believers have their faith?

I have no problem with people abstaining from pork, as I have said, but I did question the ignorance of the superstitious claims made about pigs, since it was based on obvious falsehoods, and just offered some salient facts. It seems some people can't tolerate their claims being contradicted.

 

[Sheldon]

Internet people bicker. Most non-Muslims have no problem with letting people practice their faith and are not in your face attacking faith in real life.

How can a post in an internet forum, stop anyone practicing their beliefs? You do understand this is a debate forum right? There are many forums on this site where apologists of various stripes can have an echo chamber for their beliefs after all.

 

[Sheldon]

Nobody stopping them.

But if you ask a Muslim about why they dont eat pork. And they answer "because our religion say we should not eat pork"
Then the answer should be. Ok thank you for explaining it to me.

No need for an argument just to argue. Its ok people dont agree, but no need to push someone down just because they accept that certain Foods can't be eaten

How hard can it be?

It's a debate forum, so argument is in the definition, and why do you think you can tell others how they should respond? Eat whatever you want, but if you come to a public debate forum, and make claims, then you should expect them to be subjected to critical scrutiny.

 

[Link]

I don't "like it more than any other meat", why you make up such a claim? I also don't believe in supernatural curses like sin, as I am an atheist, so you're doubly wrong there. Though to be fair, this is quite a common misconception many theists hold and espouse about atheists. Though is make little sense, since an atheist would have to believe sin was real in order to enjoy doing it, and if someone believes sin is real, then it seems unlikely they'd be an atheist.

There is what we tell ourselves, and trick ourselves and then there's what really deep inside know. Even Satan tricks himself that God doesn't exist and he can overthrow heaven while fears God of Angels and Prophets deep inside. Deep inside he knows better. Atheists can see they have a soul, what they tell themselves and trick themselves with, that's up to them.

 

[Sheldon]

READ MY ABOVE POSTS PLEASE

That's just handwaving, and your previous posts made demonstrably erroneous claims, and you then just ignored the evidence posted to refute those claims. Pig meat is perfectly healthy and nutritional, and wild pigs are fastidiously clean animals and quite intelligent, they also share common ancestors with humans, about 80 million years ago.

Here is a <LINK> to the research.

 

[ppp]

Why do people think it's healthy to ringfence a belief from critical scrutiny I wonder? Anyone that's not what public debate forums are for, no matter how much anyone tries to bully other posters.

I don't get it either. If I have a conclusion, and I want to protect it from scrutiny, that conclusion becomes immediately suspect.