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[Sheldon]

yeah wouldn't doubt it one bit

Religious bigotry is usually pretty closed minded, that's in the nature of bigotry.

 

[MyM]

As it was an irrelevant straw man, and had nothing to do with my post refuting your claim that pigs are dirty animals.



Rubbish, countless people eat pork regularly, myself included, and have suffered no ill effects. I had bacon for lunch, and I'm doing just fine.



Really, I'm pretty sure i can eat pork whenever I am minded to, and of course countless millions throughout the world also consume pork meat. I may take some belly pork out of the freezer for tomorrow. You haven't lived if you have never tasted a fine Iberrico ham. Whenever I'm in Spain i make a point of trying this delicacy.

I note you ignore the links I provided showing that pigs are both intelligent animals and fastidiously clean, though I can't say i'm surprised.

I meant in Islam.

Your sarcasm doesn't bother me anymore. hmmm you say you came from animals, am starting to believe you as a descendent of one.

 

[KWED]

Pig farms are disgusting.

All intensive farms are disgusting, including poultry. Do you eat chicken?

And why is this "disgusting"?

It is highly likely that covid originated in China.

Can't wait to see where this is going...

Pork is eaten in large quantities in China. They eat more pork than US does beef [per capita]

Correct. And...?

It is interesting to note that pig farms in China were in severe crisis[disease] at the time covid first appeared in 2019.
China was having to import huge amounts of pork to satisfy demand.

Why is that interesting?[/quote]

 

[Sheldon]

Salam

We remember God's Name before an animal is killed to keep the meat blessed. God has told us pig is unclean, is this because of physical uncleanness or spiritual uncleanness? Probably the the latter.

The thing is we believe Jinn and they have people invoking them on animals when killed, has a spiritual effect on the food.

To us it's highly important to keep energy clean coming in. Sins also effect the body spiritually and water cleanses them from sins if we do it with good intention.

Salah has blessings on soul but also you can feel effect on body.

More pork and bacon for the rest of us.

 

[Sheldon]

I meant in Islam.

Your sarcasm doesn't bother me anymore. hmmm you say you came from animals, am starting to believe you as a descendent of one.

Humans are animals, that's simply a biological fact. Your ad hominem just shows you're desperate, as you've run out of vapid rhetoric to defend the absurd nonsense that pigs are unclean animals.

Wild pigs are fastidiously clean. and pork meat is highly nutritious. The animals themselves are intelligent, more so than dogs, and make very good pets I'm given to understand.

 

[MyM]

Proof if proof were needed that pork is a perfectly healthy part of the human diet.

For you go ahead. You should go and get checked.

Pigs can be infected with a parasitic worm called Trichinella. The adult worm lives in the intestine while young worms are found in the muscles (meat). It does not appear to be a problem to the pig. Any animal which eats the pig meat can be infected with the worm

 

[KWED]

Alright, point one instance to me when you come by it, if you like.

I already did. Tim Humble and Abdul Raheem Green.

I've never seen a Middle-Eastern accent and inflection in writing.

Neither have I.

I should point out that the majority of Muslims do not speak Arabic as their native language.

Never claimed they did.

 

[MyM]

Humans are animals, that's simply a biological fact. Your ad hominem just shows you're desperate, as you've run out of vapid rhetoric to defend the absurd nonsense that pigs are unclean animals.

Wild pigs are fastidiously clean. and pork meat is highly nutritious. The animals themselves are intelligent, more so than dogs, and make very good pets I'm given to understand.

If you think a pigs are clean when they roll around in their own poo, and eat their own poo, lol well, go and eat more of it lol

 

[Sheldon]

All intensive farms are disgusting, including poultry. Do you eat chicken?

And why is this "disgusting"?

Can't wait to see where this is going...

I know, is he trying to set a record for irrelevant non-sequiturs, or is he about to make an hilarious connection between pigs and covid? Even were it true so what? Different species that have close evolutionary ancestors, like humans and pigs for example, can and often do pass diseases onto each other, so what?

 

[muhammad_isa]

More pork and bacon for the rest of us.

I'm surprised you don't claim greed is abstract, as you do money..

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
Humans are animals, that's simply a biological fact. Your ad hominem just shows you're desperate, as you've run out of vapid rhetoric to defend the absurd nonsense that pigs are unclean animals.

Wild pigs are fastidiously clean. and pork meat is highly nutritious. The animals themselves are intelligent, more so than dogs, and make very good pets I'm given to understand.

If you think a pigs are clean when they roll around in their own poo, and eat their own poo, lol well, go and eat more of it lol

So are you struggling to read a simple sentence, or was that obvious straw man fallacy deliberate duplicity? If someone locked you into a cell, until you ended covered in your own waste, would that make you a dirty animal?

I had bacon for lunch, and I may have belly pork for lunch tomorrow. This is one ludicrous superstition I don't particularly care about, since you are the ones who are losing out not me. If you think a cow or a chicken is any cleaner than a pig then that just demonstrates your ludicrous claim was based on superstition and ignorance.

 

[Sheldon]

I'm surprised you don't claim greed is abstract, as you do money..

I don't doubt it, you do seem to have an execrable grasp of language. I'm guessing the irony of that post is entirely lost on you, for example.

Do you think the value of money exists outside of the human mind? You are funny fair play, albeit unintentionally.

 

[MyM]

So are you struggling to read a simple sentence, or was that obvious straw man fallacy deliberate duplicity? If someone locked you into a cell, until you ended covered in your own waste, would that make you a dirty animal?

point is, no one is and won't. lol but pigs do and are and will continue to do so lol

 

[KWED]

Yes, indeed, praise be to Allah that He has given us a clear religion.

No so clear that scholars aren't still arguing over what it really means.

Not since plenty of propagandists run around screaming that Muslims are commanded to kill all disbelievers, in general, literally whoever comes their way.

No one really says that though.

It's not an issue. Like with the prohibition of pork we have a myriad of guidelines for cases of murder and for cases of capital punishment.

I was thinking of how Islam prescribes killing for behaviour that is perfectly legal and acceptable in civilised society.

But ayah 5:32 is pretty thorough.. it says when it is prohibited and when not. What's the problem?

I meant when people misquote the "If you kill one person it is as if you have killed all mankind" bit, but ignore 5:33 that explicitly states that people can be tortured to death for "spreading mischief".

It isn't so much about rejecting islam, it's about oppression and injustice.

Not really. Muhammad himself said "I have been commanded to fight the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform that, then they save their lives and property from me."
Sounds more like he was being oppressive and unjust.

Another example is Ibn Kathir's tafsir on sura 9:5. In it he explains "This means they have not choice but to accept Islam or die".

Note: This does not mean that all Muslims are commanded to kill all disbelievers, simply that there is the concept of using violence or the threat of it to persuade people to submit to Islam. That is undeniable.

 

[KWED]

Proof if proof were needed that pork is a perfectly healthy part of the human diet.

But China has always struggled to grow its population and the few that don't die early from pork are renowned for being unhealthy.

 

[Sheldon]

point is, no one is and won't. lol but pigs do and are and will continue to do so lol

I have no idea what on earth that is supposed to be saying. Or what relevance it is meant to have to the ignorant superstitious claim that pigs are "dirty animals" when research shows that wild pigs are fastidiously clean animals.

Even in captivity if afforded the opportunity they are clean animals, certainly a chicken or a cow is no cleaner.

"Our observations at Basel Zoo in Switzerland that wild boar are carefully cleaning their cuisine indicate that, far from being dirty or unpleasant, these omnivorous flat-snouted hoofed mammals of the family Suidae are actually rather fastidious and clean."

You can wave away facts with superstition all you want, but they remain facts. Just like your hilarious denials of the scientific fact of species evolution.

 

[MyM]

I have no idea what on earth that is supposed to be saying. Or what relevance it is meant to have to the ignorant superstitious claim that pigs are "dirty animals" when research shows that wild pigs are fastidiously clean animals.

Even in captivity if afforded the opportunity they are clean animals, certainly a chicken or a cow is no cleaner.

"Our observations at Basel Zoo in Switzerland that wild boar are carefully cleaning their cuisine indicate that, far from being dirty or unpleasant, these omnivorous flat-snouted hoofed mammals of the family Suidae are actually rather fastidious and clean."

You can wave away facts with superstition all you want, but they remain facts. Just like your hilarious denials of the scientific fact of species evolution.

Here you go hijacking another Islamic post. Go find someone else to complain to about your monkeys to humans. This thread was about sincere people who are interested in learning about Islam. You on the other hand, just want to cause problems and ridicule and seem to make fun of our belief and others. Go bother someone else.

 

[ppp]

Here you go hijacking another Islamic post. Go find someone else to complain to about your monkeys to humans. This thread was about sincere people who are interested in learning about Islam. You on the other hand, just want to cause problems and ridicule and seem to make fun of our belief and others. Go bother someone else.

Are you actually trying to claim that people who disagree with you are insincere. You see disagreement as mere malicious ridicule? That is a pretty self centered mindset. People actually have sincere worldviews that do not agree with your own. How can you exist in reality and not know this?

 

[MyM]

There has not been a case of trichinosis in the us since

Are you actually trying to claim that people who disagree with you are insincere. You see disagreement as mere malicious ridicule? That is a pretty self centered mindset. People actually have sincere worldviews that do not agree with your own. How can you exist in reality and not know this?

No, am not claiming that at all. But every time I post he intervenes and ridicules and calls everyone a straw man and their views are so below his own. If you were sincere enough, you would see it as well am sure many do.

 

[Link]

More pork and bacon for the rest of us.

Maybe. Maybe you guys like it more then other meat because of the sin factor. Who knows.