Ask About Islam

[MyM]

But where is the equality in praying separately or for some not even being able to dance together.

You are right about women in the west fighting for equality and I think it’s made it more precious,in ww1&2 women played a massive part in bringing about that equality,we’re not quite there yet but we’ve moved on from 1400 years ago,have you?.

I was born and raised in the States and I was taught all too well of the history. Actually my ancestors are from the Cherokee tribe. Praying is a bit different than how Christians pray.

It is a prescribed way of praying. We recite Quran and do movements in bowing and prostration. Imagine a women praying in front of a man and making prostrations and say the man comes up and down and the women is bowing over and he imagines things (which men do)....it is not befitting a Muslim women to be in that situation nor should there be temptation for the man. In the Islamic prayer we keep our eyes open.

It's only common sense that men and women keep separate from praying next to each other. Men and women have attraction, desire and lust. BOTH and everyone knows this to be factual...men as well as women they try to impress, to gain attention etc. So, in Islam, that is eliminated.

If a women prays alongside a man there must be a barrier in between them. Equality doesn't come into prayer. Prayer is taken very seriously in Islam and the more one has sincerity and concentrates on being in front of their Creator, the better it is for him/her. The men pray and it's MANDATORY for every Muslim man to go to the mosque 5 times a day. For women, it is better to pray in their homes.

Islam makes things easy for the women. Men have it harder.

Islam is also a prevention and a cure.

 

[England my lionheart]

I was born and raised in the States and I was taught all too well of the history. Actually my ancestors are from the Cherokee tribe. Praying is a bit different than how Christians pray.

It is a prescribed way of praying. We recite Quran and do movements in bowing and prostration. Imagine a women praying in front of a man and making prostrations and say the man comes up and down and the women is bowing over and he imagines things (which men do)....it is not befitting a Muslim women to be in that situation nor should there be temptation for the man. In the Islamic prayer we keep our eyes open.

It's only common sense that men and women keep separate from praying next to each other. Men and women have attraction, desire and lust. BOTH and everyone knows this to be factual...men as well as women they try to impress, to gain attention etc. So, in Islam, that is eliminated.

If a women prays alongside a man there must be a barrier in between them. Equality doesn't come into prayer. Prayer is taken very seriously in Islam and the more one has sincerity and concentrates on being in front of their Creator, the better it is for him/her. The men pray and it's MANDATORY for every Muslim man to go to the mosque 5 times a day. For women, it is better to pray in their homes.

Islam makes things easy for the women. Men have it harder.

Islam is also a prevention and a cure.

This is an example of medaeval thinking,in Victorian times it was the same,the west for all its faults has moved on.

Whether the man and women prostrate separately to perform salat has prostrating helped the Islamic world?,I could ask the same question to the other abrahmic religions but here Islam is the topic.

 

[MyM]

This is an example of medaeval thinking,in Victorian times it was the same,the west for all its faults has moved on.

Whether the man and women prostrate separately to perform salat has prostrating helped the Islamic world?,I could ask the same question to the other abrahmic religions but here Islam is the topic.

See that is where people go wrong. Islam isn't just for the time it was brought. It is until the end of times

It's not about helping the Islamic world. It's about following guidelines to achieve the best result for ourselves for in Islam, Allah knows us more than we know ourselves and his guidelines that he gave to mankind help mankind. They do not hinder it as many people think it is backward. To be honest, I don't understand how people think that engaging in all forms of debauchery is moving on. To engage in immoral situations, lie, cheating, improving deceit etc. are all forms of "the new world". It's not going to work as people want it because that is not how it is supposed to be. Islam has the answers but people just don't wanna take heed.

 

[England my lionheart]

See that is where people go wrong. Islam isn't just for the time it was brought. It is until the end of times

It's not about helping the Islamic world. It's about following guidelines to achieve the best result for ourselves for in Islam, Allah knows us more than we know ourselves and his guidelines that he gave to mankind help mankind. They do not hinder it as many people think it is backward. To be honest, I don't understand how people think that engaging in all forms of debauchery is moving on. To engage in immoral situations, lie, cheating, improving deceit etc. are all forms of "the new world". It's not going to work as people want it because that is not how it is supposed to be. Islam has the answers but people just don't wanna take heed.

I think people don’t take heed because there is no good or even near good working model of Islam,it seems stuck in a time warp,If my daughters husband punished her because she is his right hand possession he would need hospital insurance,Islam is like dragging a ships anchor accross the desert,it’s always going to hinder profess imo.

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon, you should take a philosophy class. There's always summarized version (premises - conclusion) and the elaboration. If you want to attack a premise, you don't go to summarized version, but address the elaborated version of that premise. Otherwise, you can't have a meaningful dialogue.

Brevity is a strength in any argument, as is accuracy. If your summarized version was weak, and you didn't want a response to it, then why offer it...

 

[MyM]

I think people don’t take heed because there is no good or even near good working model of Islam,it seems stuck in a time warp,If my daughters husband punished her because she is his right hand possession he would need hospital insurance,Islam is like dragging a ships anchor accross the desert,it’s always going to hinder profess imo.

That's not how it is. Right hands possess happens during war times, then there are guidelines and even then it rarely ever happens nowadays. It's not about husband punishing etc. Dunno where you hear that from.

Ever think that in the west plays a big part of that? They don't care to hear about it, the media gives the wrong impressions of it-ON PURPOSE, they distort what is the truth of it into something they want people to hear. They try their best to damage the reputation of Muslims and Islam. But yet, there are close to 2 billion Muslims in the world. This is why there is so much negativity. Media. Islam is a blessed religion and monotheistic and people seem to hate that. The propaganda is outrageously unfair.

 

[GURSIKH]

I have a question regarding Islam

Why Allah did not communicated with Prophet Mohammad directly ? I heard there was one angel involved in between ?

 

[Sheldon]

(1) Is Value of who we are objective or subjective.

We would not even try to estimate who we are, if there was not an objective value to who we are. (Unevidenced assumption) We don't subjectively decided we are good or bad, we try to rather see if we are good or bad. (good and bad are entirely subjective concepts, so this makes no sense)

Asking other humans feedback is not a problem, but we take account of what they say to help us recognize who we are. That is if we take their feedback without an objective value to who we are, they themselves would be just making it up and it would have no value.

The fact that we even take account of what others say, show, we are trying to recognize who we are and our value, some trying even to their best of their abilities. (We are social animals, we have evolved for millions of years that way, we would necessarily seek validation from others)

We don't just assign ourselves value, we try to recognize what our value is, which means we have an objective value. (What do you mean by value here? What objective scale is it being measured against, again it is just vague assumptions)

(2) We are a perception

Seeing compassion, love, justice, in ourselves and others, requires us to assess actions and believe there is personhood to the person, (Those are again subjective ideas, and human morality is clearly evolved, as it is in other animals that have evolved to live in societal groups) and states of being that are non-material. When I say non-material, I am not necessarily saying a soul yet, let's say, it's a program generated by the brain from an atheist point of view. (That's not an atheist perspective, and it is pure unevidenced assumption) Regardless of what viewpoint, we are an idea/non-material/perception type existence. (That's nonsensical woo woo, ideas are a product of our functioning physical brain) Which brings the next point.

(3) Can our brains generate who we are accurately? (what do you mean by "who we are" and what difference does it make?)

I say they cannot, (So a purely subjective assertion then) because they don't have an objective measurement to who we are and way of assessing our actions,(Meaningless until you explain what you mean by who we are, and we certainly are able to objectively assess actions, whether we do or not is another matter) in short, we don't assign who we are accurately but rather estimate and somethings we are right about ourselves and other things wrong.

(4) If we have an objective value, where does it exist? (what do you mean by value here, what are we measuring it against?)

I say if we an objective value, the only place we really can exist is with God, in his vision, judging us exactly as we are. (So another entirely subjective assumption) God sees us exactly as we are, and the only thing that can. (Another unevidenced assumption, and about the deity you are arguing for, so it is a begging the question fallacy, same as the last two times I explained this, and you waved it away.)

Your arument is littered with unevidenecd assumptions, vague poorly defined and subjective terms and phrases, and has more than one begging the question fallacy, where you make unevidenced assumptions about teh deity you purport to be arguing for.

There, the long (winded) version is just as poorly argued as the short version.

 

[Birdnest]

Certainly,the man has so much more in this case “what your right hand possesses” means you dictate everything imo.

I mean, men can't pray with women and women can't pray with men - that's equal. Women can't dance with men in public and men can't dance with women in public - that's equal.

"What your right hand possesses" refers to slaves.

 

[MyM]

I have a question regarding Islam

Why Allah did not communicated with Prophet Mohammad directly ? I heard there was one angel involved in between ?

Actually, Angel Jibreel (on him peace) brought the revelations from Allah to the messengers peace and blessings be upon them all. Mohammad pbuh did actually see Angel Jibreel in his true form. There was a miracle that happened called the sirat nmiraj...the night journey. There he did speak to Allah. No man has seen Allah.

“And truly, this (the Quran) is a revelation from the Lord of the ‘Aalameen (mankind, jinn and all that exists), Which the trustworthy Rooh [Jibreel (Gabriel)] has brought down Upon your heart (O Muhammad) that you may be (one) of the warners, In the plain Arabic language”
al-Shu’araa’ 26:192-195

In the Quran Alah says about Mosa (pbuh)
And when Mosa came at the time and place appointed by Us, and his Lord spoke to him, he said, O my Lord! Show me (Yourself), that I may look upon You. Allah said, You cannot see Me, but look upon the mountain, if its stands still in its place, then you shall see Me. So when his Lord appeared to the mountain, He made it collapse to dust, and Mosa fell down unconscious. Then when he recovered his senses he said, Glory be to You, I turn to You in repentance and I am the first of the believers. al-Araaf 7:143.

 

[England my lionheart]

That's not how it is. Right hands possess happens during war times, then there are guidelines and even then it rarely ever happens nowadays. It's not about husband punishing etc. Dunno where you hear that from.

Ever think that in the west plays a big part of that? They don't care to hear about it, the media gives the wrong impressions of it-ON PURPOSE, they distort what is the truth of it into something they want people to hear. They try their best to damage the reputation of Muslims and Islam. But yet, there are close to 2 billion Muslims in the world. This is why there is so much negativity. Media. Islam is a blessed religion and monotheistic and people seem to hate that. The propaganda is outrageously unfair.

2 billion is a massive amount but as we know the schools and sects are many so they’re not all the same so there’s no bragging rights there.

What your “right hand possesses” is in your book,you can’t have intercourse with married women but it’s all good with your slave,what a precedent to set.

You think Islam is being treated unfairly but if Islam is so perfect then it should be able to stand up to the most brutal criticisms,imo it just does not.

 

[England my lionheart]

I mean, men can't pray with women and women can't pray with men - that's equal. Women can't dance with men in public and men can't dance with women in public - that's equal.

"What your right hand possesses" refers to slaves.

And slaves you can have intercourse with but you can’t dance with your wife/husband,I think we’ve come a lot further than that way of thinking.

 

[MyM]

2 billion is a massive amount but as we know the schools and sects are many so they’re not all the same so there’s no bragging rights there.

What your “right hand possesses” is in your book,you can’t have intercourse with married women but it’s all good with your slave,what a precedent to set.

You think Islam is being treated unfairly but if Islam is so perfect then it should be able to stand up to the most brutal criticisms,imo it just does not.

What do you mean stand up...it's like we are always trying to prove ourselves because people don't care to learn. They carry hate and ignorance about the religion and use that as their own proofs as to why it isn't a good religion. Then when we do discuss and carry on a sincere dialogue, people start to understand gradually. Those who don't want to learn and continue to bash the religion, just make a fool of themselves and make it harder for Islam to appear genuine.

We have ahadith and the Quran and they compliment each other. Knowledge comes from both and in Islam, you can't have just one, you need both to understand Islam.



“Beautified is the life of this world for those who disbelieve, and they mock at those who believe. But those who obey Allah’s Orders and keep away from what He has forbidden, will be above them on the Day of Resurrection. And Allah gives (of His bounty on the Day of Resurrection) to whom He wills without limit.”
al-Baqarah 2:212

 

[MyM]

And slaves you can have intercourse with but you can’t dance with your wife/husband,I think we’ve come a lot further than that way of thinking.

Who says you can't dance with your wife? You can do what you wish when you are together.

See, this is what I mean when people think they know Islam.

 

[Link]

@Sheldon, what do you mean good and evil are subjective? Human rights is built on that premise that this is false but rather that morals are objective, do you believe in human rights?

 

[muhammad_isa]

And slaves you can have intercourse with but you can’t dance with your wife/husband..

Mmm .. women regularly get violated in wars.

G-d knows how soldiers think & behave.
He is wise, but you don't perceive.
..notice, it is not allowed for a Muslim to rape a woman and "walk away" !

 

[GURSIKH]

Mmm .. women regularly get violated in wars.

G-d knows how soldiers think & behave.
He is wise, but you don't perceive.
..notice, it is not allowed for a Muslim to rape a woman and "walk away" !

But its allowed to rape slave women, its there in Quran

 

[England my lionheart]

What do you mean stand up...it's like we are always trying to prove ourselves because people don't care to learn. They carry hate and ignorance about the religion and use that as their own proofs as to why it isn't a good religion. Then when we do discuss and carry on a sincere dialogue, people start to understand gradually. Those who don't want to learn and continue to bash the religion, just make a fool of themselves and make it harder for Islam to appear genuine.

Standing up means just that,if Islam is the perfect religion it should be able to brush off any criticism but it can’t.

Personally I don’t hate Islam I just think it’s archaic and static,the 7th century wasn’t great for anyone really,equality was unheard of then.

We have ahadith and the Quran and they compliment each other. Knowledge comes from both and in Islam, you can't have just one, you need both to understand Islam.

Not all Muslims agree with you,that’s Sunni Muslims but there are others,Quran alone Muslims are just one,Shia and all the other sects whittle down you 2 billion Muslims,your prophet (according to Hadith) when asked what sect would be the rightly guided he answered (I won’t look it up) but basically there are 73 sects is him and his ummah.



“Beautified is the life of this world for those who disbelieve, and they mock at those who believe. But those who obey Allah’s Orders and keep away from what He has forbidden, will be above them on the Day of Resurrection. And Allah gives (of His bounty on the Day of Resurrection) to whom He wills without limit.”
al-Baqarah 2:212

So basically you have no idea if this is true because it’s untestable.

 

[MyM]

So basically you have no idea if this is true because it’s untestable.

I know 100% that Islam is true.

 

[England my lionheart]

Mmm .. women regularly get violated in wars.

G-d knows how soldiers think & behave.
He is wise, but you don't perceive.
..notice, it is not allowed for a Muslim to rape a woman and "walk away" !

But it’s ok to have a slave and have sex with her,I wonder how much choice a slave has,maybe the answer is slave.

Women getting raped in wars has happened in war that’s true,when the Russians got to Berlin in ww2 it was mass rape but doesn’t make it right.