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Ask me about theistic luciferianism
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High Priest
Actually the Bible does not state that the serpent in the garden was Lucifer.
Primordial Annihilator
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Primordial Annihilator
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What is in a name?
The Serpent is a symbol....as is Lucifer....and their symbology is concordant.
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High Priest
Lucifer is not a name It's a title. I can be a lucifer, you could be a lucifer, and so could anyone else.
Primordial Annihilator
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Yes it means Light Bearer...but as a symbol Lucifer is synonymous with the serpent.
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High Priest
That's because of ignorance.
Primordial Annihilator
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LOL
Says you...
You probably don't know what you are talking about...but I might be interested in your reply regardless...
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High Priest
I'll be the first to tell you that I don't know everything, but I do know that the bible never stated or implied that the serpent in the garden was a morning star.
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Times]Egypt and Babylon did not perceive serpents and dragons as evil, especially as they were portrayed in the Torah (First five books of the Old Testament by Moses) and later in the prophets. Moses was the first person to describe the Archangel Lucifer as the "serpent."[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Times]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Times]He wrote the book of Genesis as the result of a vision he had atop Mt. Sinai, "Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field, which the LORD God had made. (Gen. 3:1)" Clearly, Moses associated the serpent with Lucifer or the Devil (a fallen angel), created by Elohim ( the Word or Son), as was the rest of the angelic creation.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Times]Now in the book of Revelation from the King James Version of the Bible, the Apostle John confirmed Moses vision, for he associated an angel with the dragon and the serpent, which was the result of the vision he received on the Isle of Patmos in AD 96. He wrote: "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: (Rev 12:9)."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Times] [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Times]The point being made here is that in the Hebrew scriptures Lucifer was identified as the cause of the rebellion in heaven and the evil in the earth plane. He is symbolically described as the dragon, the serpent, and the Son of the Morning. This was contrary to the belief system of this pagan era, because for them the Dragon and Serpent were universally worshiped as signs of wisdom.
[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Times]Yeshua the Messiah in His ministry acknowledged that the serpent symbolically represents wisdom, which confirms the Gentiles belief. He said: "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves (Mt. 10:16)." [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Times]In the book of Revelation, which was written by the Apostle John, in A.D. 96, which was after the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, all references to serpents are placed in the context of evil. The serpent was used in Johns vision to symbolize Lucifer, Satan and the fallen angels.
Here are the following verses:
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Times] from - Luciferian Worship: It's beginning in Serpent, Dragon, and Sun Worship
By Dr. Lee Warren, B.A., D.D. & Edited by Dr. DeVita Brown, B.A., D.D.
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Primordial Annihilator
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Indeed the symbology of lucifer and the serpent is concordant. 
Gloone
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How do you know Jesus wasn’t Lucifer? He fits seems to fit the bill for me. He basically a fallen angel or sent to earth to fulfill or uphold some duties that his father in heaven sent him to do. He couldn’t go back until his tasks were done. So he either went back to be with his father in heaven or to overthrow him. He claimed after his death he would go back to heaven which is basically saying he would become one with god.
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EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
LUCIFER JESUS
Isaiah 14:12
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
Hmmm : hamster :
Isaiah 14:12
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
Hmmm : hamster :
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High Priest
I said the SERPENT IN THE GARDEN.Indeed the symbology of lucifer and the serpent is concordant.
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High Priest
I said the SERPENT IN THE GARDEN.[FONT=Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Times]Egypt and Babylon did not perceive serpents and dragons as evil, especially as they were portrayed in the Torah (First five books of the Old Testament by Moses) and later in the prophets. Moses was the first person to describe the Archangel Lucifer as the "serpent."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Times]He wrote the book of Genesis as the result of a vision he had atop Mt. Sinai, "Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field, which the LORD God had made. (Gen. 3:1)" Clearly, Moses associated the serpent with Lucifer or the Devil (a fallen angel), created by Elohim ( the Word or Son), as was the rest of the angelic creation.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Times]Now in the book of Revelation from the King James Version of the Bible, the Apostle John confirmed Moses vision, for he associated an angel with the dragon and the serpent, which was the result of the vision he received on the Isle of Patmos in AD 96. He wrote: "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: (Rev 12:9)."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Times]The point being made here is that in the Hebrew scriptures Lucifer was identified as the cause of the rebellion in heaven and the evil in the earth plane. He is symbolically described as the dragon, the serpent, and the Son of the Morning. This was contrary to the belief system of this pagan era, because for them the Dragon and Serpent were universally worshiped as signs of wisdom.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Times]Yeshua the Messiah in His ministry acknowledged that the serpent symbolically represents wisdom, which confirms the Gentiles belief. He said: "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves (Mt. 10:16)." [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Times]In the book of Revelation, which was written by the Apostle John, in A.D. 96, which was after the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, all references to serpents are placed in the context of evil. The serpent was used in Johns vision to symbolize Lucifer, Satan and the fallen angels.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Times]Here are the following verses:[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Times]So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him (Rev. 12:9 NKJV).[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Times]But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent (Rev. 12:14. NKJV).[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Times]So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood (Rev 12:15. NKJV).[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Times]He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years (Rev. 20:2; NKJV).[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Times]For their power is in their mouth and in their tails; for their tails are like serpents, having heads; and with them they do harm (Rev. 9:19 NKJV).[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Times]from - Luciferian Worship: It's beginning in Serpent, Dragon, and Sun Worship
By Dr. Lee Warren, B.A., D.D. & Edited by Dr. DeVita Brown, B.A., D.D.
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Adelice
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He doesnt, he started out has an roman god, and even so its believed that the name lucifer doesnt have anything to do with the satan in the bible ,im not saying i hate the lucifer on the bible, i mean i still believe he is amazing and i like him a lot but still, avoiding the stories of the ACTUAL NON BIBLICAL lucifer would be rather retarded wouldnt it? The only point of luciferianism is learning, he is not an single representation of an angel, he is in an wide selection of shapes and forms on the world.
Even if he doesnt represent the fallen angel who gave us knowledge, he still was believed he was the god of knowledge and arts. Personally i think there are some amazing definitions out there but still, why so much discrimination over theistic ones? Youre just blending atheism with LHP and making an blend started by Lavey, even if most luciferians and satanist i know are atheist, doesnt mean we all are. I WAS an atheist for an while, hardcore atheist, but i decided to change and join to this religion because i had an change of heart.
Im not saying we all gotta be believers, but hey there are different types of people believing different kinds of things. The sad part is that luciferianism havent evolded enough to just get the hell out of the LHP and move by its own way, accepting that lucifer isnt some sort of demon, the angel lucifer is very inspiring and i admire him but it would be nice if other luciferians started to work and read more about what lucifer was so they can know the religion better, i do believe he is more than just metal music, satanism, trees with talking snakes and all that garbage.
Is not an eternal fight with the christian or islamic religions, and even so we all can admit that we want freedom, but what we should know the best is that he is related to venus, to love, thats what is the most important aspect of him. He is the male side of venus. Anyway is not like you are an slave, even so i respect him a lot and if i ever had the pleasure to meet him i would bow in front of him has an sign of respect not has an servant. He is too amazing for that, and im sure most of his followers wouldnt mind it a bit.
The god from the christians force everyone to love him but lucifer doesnt force anyone, his followers follow him by heart wich is a beautiful aspect of him.
Even if he doesnt represent the fallen angel who gave us knowledge, he still was believed he was the god of knowledge and arts. Personally i think there are some amazing definitions out there but still, why so much discrimination over theistic ones? Youre just blending atheism with LHP and making an blend started by Lavey, even if most luciferians and satanist i know are atheist, doesnt mean we all are. I WAS an atheist for an while, hardcore atheist, but i decided to change and join to this religion because i had an change of heart.
Im not saying we all gotta be believers, but hey there are different types of people believing different kinds of things. The sad part is that luciferianism havent evolded enough to just get the hell out of the LHP and move by its own way, accepting that lucifer isnt some sort of demon, the angel lucifer is very inspiring and i admire him but it would be nice if other luciferians started to work and read more about what lucifer was so they can know the religion better, i do believe he is more than just metal music, satanism, trees with talking snakes and all that garbage.
Is not an eternal fight with the christian or islamic religions, and even so we all can admit that we want freedom, but what we should know the best is that he is related to venus, to love, thats what is the most important aspect of him. He is the male side of venus. Anyway is not like you are an slave, even so i respect him a lot and if i ever had the pleasure to meet him i would bow in front of him has an sign of respect not has an servant. He is too amazing for that, and im sure most of his followers wouldnt mind it a bit.
The god from the christians force everyone to love him but lucifer doesnt force anyone, his followers follow him by heart wich is a beautiful aspect of him.
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Egads with you . . . then do tell us what/who the Serpent in the Garden was?
Historically speaking, it was the medieval writer Peter Lombard (c.1100-1160) that interpreted Satan in the guise of the Serpent tempting Eve. Later other writers, like 9th-century Bishop Agobard wrote this as Satan tempting Eve 'through' the Serpent.
God, havin created Adam & Eve 'in his own image' he then ordered them not to touch the fruit of 'the tree of the knowledge of good and evil' in the middle of the garden, on pain of death. But along comes the talking serpent saying to Eve: "did God really say you must not eat from any tree in the garden?"
Eve dutifully repeats God's words and the serpent responds "you will not surely die . . . for God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
If the serpent's intentions were merely for mankind to Fall from Grace, it would not have been so clearly spelled out for Eve & Adam.
The serpent IS Lucifer and is caring for mankind's intellectual development.
The symbolism of the snake/serpent is an old one dating back to Egypt and the cobra / Uraeus used for the head-dress of royalty, meaning 'Lord of Life and Death', the ultimate earthly power.
The snake/serpent is also the ancient metaphor for the Hindu sacred sexual power of Kundalini.
There is no doubt in my mind that the Biblical Serpent is metaphorically Lucifer, the Bringer of Light, Knowledge, and Gnosis, that there is a path other than that of God.
Primordial Annihilator
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Indeed...why not?
Interesting idea Gloone.
In my belief Christ certainly existed and was certainly some kind of Messiah..a bringer of divine wisdom and understanding...after all it is wisdom and knowledge that the Serpent and the Light Bearer ultimately are symbolic metaphors for...so the concept is compatible with my beliefs.
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Yes, this is interesting:
Within the pages of the bible itself, reveal that Jesus and Lucifer are actually one and the same! For example, if you look at the KJV of the bible, the only place where Lucifer is mentioned is in Isaiah 14, and nearly every verse dedicated to him in that chapter can also be applied to Jesus:
The mythical Lucifer fell from heaven to earth and was made as weak as one of us - the same can be said of Jesus.
The name "Lucifer" means "morning star" - Jesus reveals he is the Morning Star in Revelations 22:16.
Lucifer claimed he would ascend into heaven and be like the most High - so did Jesus. But Lucifer would descend into Hell - that's where Jesus allegedly spent the first 3 days following his crucifixion.
Lucifer caused the earth to tremble and shook kingdoms - there was a great earthquake when Jesus died, and the religions established in his name have certainly shaken kingdoms.
In these passages, Lucifer is blamed for making the world a wilderness and destroying its cities - the same has been done by the followers of Jesus.
Lucifer does not open the house of his prisoners - Jesus himself is said to hold the keys of hell and death, and has no plans to ever let his prisoners go free.
Lucifer is cast out of his grave like an abominable branch - Jesus is descended from the abominable branch of Jeconiah and is also cast from his grave.