Ask me about theistic luciferianism

[Twig pentagram]

Egads with you . . . then do tell us what/who the Serpent in the Garden was?

Historically speaking, it was the medieval writer Peter Lombard (c.1100-1160) that interpreted Satan in the guise of the Serpent tempting Eve. Later other writers, like 9th-century Bishop Agobard wrote this as Satan tempting Eve 'through' the Serpent.

God, havin created Adam & Eve 'in his own image' he then ordered them not to touch the fruit of 'the tree of the knowledge of good and evil' in the middle of the garden, on pain of death. But along comes the talking serpent saying to Eve: "did God really say you must not eat from any tree in the garden?"

Eve dutifully repeats God's words and the serpent responds "you will not surely die . . . for God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

If the serpent's intentions were merely for mankind to Fall from Grace, it would not have been so clearly spelled out for Eve & Adam.
The serpent IS Lucifer and is caring for mankind's intellectual development.

The symbolism of the snake/serpent is an old one dating back to Egypt and the cobra / Uraeus used for the head-dress of royalty, meaning 'Lord of Life and Death', the ultimate earthly power.

The snake/serpent is also the ancient metaphor for the Hindu sacred sexual power of Kundalini.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Biblical Serpent is metaphorically Lucifer, the Bringer of Light, Knowledge, and Gnosis, that there is a path other than that of God.

:no: Please don't egads me. I don't know who the serpent in the garden was but I have heard some talk of an ancient Babilonian snake deity. Secondly I don't have a problem with the serpent in the garden being a lucifer. I just said that the Bible did'nt say that.

 

[Gloone]

Does anyone have some good links or websites on the pagan Lucifer. I want to read more about him.

 

[Gloone]

Yes, this is interesting:

Within the pages of the bible itself, reveal that Jesus and Lucifer are actually one and the same! For example, if you look at the KJV of the bible, the only place where Lucifer is mentioned is in Isaiah 14, and nearly every verse dedicated to him in that chapter can also be applied to Jesus:

The mythical Lucifer fell from heaven to earth and was made as weak as one of us - the same can be said of Jesus.

The name "Lucifer" means "morning star" - Jesus reveals he is the Morning Star in Revelations 22:16.

Lucifer claimed he would ascend into heaven and be like the most High - so did Jesus. But Lucifer would descend into Hell - that's where Jesus allegedly spent the first 3 days following his crucifixion.

Lucifer caused the earth to tremble and shook kingdoms - there was a great earthquake when Jesus died, and the religions established in his name have certainly shaken kingdoms.

In these passages, Lucifer is blamed for making the world a wilderness and destroying its cities - the same has been done by the followers of Jesus.

Lucifer does not open the house of his prisoners - Jesus himself is said to hold the keys of hell and death, and has no plans to ever let his prisoners go free.

Lucifer is cast out of his grave like an abominable branch - Jesus is descended from the abominable branch of Jeconiah and is also cast from his grave.

This was very interesting to read.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I thought Luciferians did not actually worship Lucifer, but just highly look up to him as a big brother or such.

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

I thought Luciferians did not actually worship Lucifer, but just highly look up to him as a big brother or such.

I see Lucifer as a metaphor for the struggle of reason over ignorance, progression over regression....Lucifer the light bearer.

I venerate the Serpent, the bringer of knowledge....Lucifer is the Serpent in avataristic form...as Jesus is/was the avatar of God.

In my theology anyway.

 

[Breathe]

I'm interested in answers from our theistic Luciferianism members.

Apologies if these have been asked before in this thread and I haven't noticed them when I was quickly glancing through. I've numbered my questions.

1. What is your opinion of the Bible God?
2. What is your opinion on the Gods of other religions?
3. What is your opinion on the material world? Do you believe it is the Bible God's creation (in whatever way), and what is your opinion on the "caretaking" of it?
4. Do you think Lucifer resides in "Hell"?
5. If you believe in the above, do you think it is a place of torment, or sometimes (for those who did not follow Lucifer), or never?
6. What is your opinion regarding the "End-Time Battle" of Revelation? Do you think it will occur or is metaphor? If will occur, will Lucifer win or lose? What happens if he wins?
7. Do you see Lucifer as, for lack of a better term, a deity in his own right, like the true God (and God is the true Devil, or something)?

Sorry to ask so many questions.

 

[Breathe]

Another question (sorry, I'm on a PS3, and I have a limit to typed characters) is:

Do you see Satan and Lucifer as one and the same? Do you see theistic Satanism and theistic Luciferianism as the same religion, too? If no, what are the differences?


That's technically two questions, sorry.

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

I'm interested in answers from our theistic Luciferianism members.

Apologies if these have been asked before in this thread and I haven't noticed them when I was quickly glancing through. I've numbered my questions.

1. What is your opinion of the Bible God?
2. What is your opinion on the Gods of other religions?
3. What is your opinion on the material world? Do you believe it is the Bible God's creation (in whatever way), and what is your opinion on the "caretaking" of it?
4. Do you think Lucifer resides in "Hell"?
5. If you believe in the above, do you think it is a place of torment, or sometimes (for those who did not follow Lucifer), or never?
6. What is your opinion regarding the "End-Time Battle" of Revelation? Do you think it will occur or is metaphor? If will occur, will Lucifer win or lose? What happens if he wins?
7. Do you see Lucifer as, for lack of a better term, a deity in his own right, like the true God (and God is the true Devil, or something)?

Sorry to ask so many questions.

1. Meglomaniac, Narcissist, Psychopathic, Schizophrenic, Genocidal, Amoral, Tyrannical, Inconsistant and Sadistic...in short utterly and hoplelessly insane.

I give God the Abrahamic God of the Jews Muslims and Christians a 10/10 chainsaws psycho rating...only Kali goddess of Death and killer of a demon king comes close at 9/10 chainsaws.

2. Religions and their deities vary like assorted chocolates to use a cliche...some religions have soft centred Gods others just contain nuts...all in all they are simply different expressions of human spirituality in theistic form...a foci of worship...that adopts the form of it's believer's perceptions prejudices and dreams.

3. The material world is just another layer within a deeper reality.

4. Not Dantes vision of flames and sulphur no...maybe in a battle cruiser somewhere...

5. There is no hell or heaven but there may be reincarnation, on this or other worlds.

6. The universe is too vast for an end of time battle to be somewhat egotistically schelduled for the planet Earth, that kind of parochialism should have died out with the Plague....certianly whatever happens on Earth will pass utterly unnoticed by the vast majority of the entire universe.

7. Lucifer may be some alien being or a long dead ancient hero or who knows what?

It's what he/she represents in all the glorious symbology that matters to me...as a Gnostic.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Do you accept sciences like evolution?



This smiley has nothing to do with the convo, I just like it :slap:

It's funny because the smiley got owned :drool:

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

Do you accept sciences like evolution?



This smiley has nothing to do with the convo, I just like it :slap:

It's funny because the smiley got owned :drool:

Of course...it is the most logical and consistant explanation for the presence of all known life on this planet.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

You are gnostic I see, I was wondering if you could provide proof or evidence for any supernatural being at all, including Lucifer.

If it is from a personal experience can you tell me how to have one, and how long it will take?

If you only go by faith, that wouldn't be gnostic since you would not "know" it is the truth, but rather have faith.

 

[EtuMalku]

I thought Luciferians did not actually worship Lucifer, but just highly look up to him as a big brother or such.

There is Theistic and non-Theistic Luciferianism. I am non-Theistic but I have no qualms with explaining my understandings within another's paradigm such as the Abrahamic Faith.

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

You are gnostic I see, I was wondering if you could provide proof or evidence for any supernatural being at all, including Lucifer.

If it is from a personal experience can you tell me how to have one, and how long it will take?

If you only go by faith, that wouldn't be gnostic since you would not "know" it is the truth, but rather have faith.

I don't think there is any cold hard evidence of any supernatural deity.
I dont think it is necessary to believe that a deity actually exists.

As a Gnostic there is only gnosis and the path of learning...there is no faith as you say.

However I have always known a dry sensible voice deep in my mind, a voice that has guided me since a child, thoughts rise unbidden from this other 'mind' and percolate through my awareness until I literally hear them in my head.
I don't know if that voice is just something psychological or something else...either way it has been very helpful in the past...the voice which would soothe me when my parents were fighting downstairs or tell me to stand and fight the taunters and bullies that tried to victimise me..the same voice which called my name and woke me when someone was breaking into the house...
That voice has always been with me and when I once laid in bed and asked who it was it answered it was my father...the dragon.

So take that anyway you want!

(Psycho alert...etc...I know )

 

[Requia]

I'm curious, how exactly do you link Gnosticsm and Luciferianism together?

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

I'm curious, how exactly do you link Gnosticsm and Luciferianism together?

Lucifer is the light bearer, the Serpent whom elevated mankind beyond the animal.
Lucifer the rebel.
The Morning Star.

The archtype of independance of thought, unbound by social convention, religious indoctrination and false idealism.

Gnostics believe that there are two paths to understanding, inner and outer.
It is the inner path that Lucifer would guide you through...you plump the depths of your soul deep into the yawning abyss of your psyche...in the dross and filth are sown the seeds of divinity it is from such fertile soil that gnostics awaken.

All is learning and Lucifer teaches you that the true path to salvation lies not with accepting articles of faith but better preparing yourself for the realities of life...knowledge is power...and the more you learn the more powerful you become, not just outer knowledge about facts and figures but inner intuititive perceptive knowledge.

Hope that helps..

 

[Adelice]

I'm interested in answers from our theistic Luciferianism members.

Apologies if these have been asked before in this thread and I haven't noticed them when I was quickly glancing through. I've numbered my questions.

1. What is your opinion of the Bible God?
No idea actually, i never have believed on him, he means nothing to me, maybe he could be some sort of magical light like on the movies but i never really cared if he was real or not.

2. What is your opinion on the Gods of other religions?
I normally find them nice, has long has they dont attack my religion is fine, yet i find most of the main religions quite dangerous and by my faith im adviced to dont go near them since some can have suicidal, or just plain dangerous ideals.

3. What is your opinion on the material world? Do you believe it is the Bible God's creation (in whatever way), and what is your opinion on the "caretaking" of it?
I believe lucifer is the guardian of the planet earth, we dont see the beauty of it and we waste it all on empty religions wich plain suck, we destroy our planet, we destroy our material world, we live an awful life, filled with lies and we have to stand christianity stealing our forests, towns, and filling our world with churches and garbage, an perfect place to be is an open forest. Im not saying we need to destroy civilization, is just that the space used for corrupted churches could make at least a beautiful park or garden. And no i dont believe on god creating everything, neither on the bible.

4. Do you think Lucifer resides in "Hell"?
... Hell no, hah. I believe he is an neutral deity, neither good or bad, he is not punished and he is an god not an angel, he lives happily on our planet earth but he is quite sad that other religions are helping people to think more about after life and less of how amazing this life can be.

5. If you believe in the above, do you think it is a place of torment, or sometimes (for those who did not follow Lucifer), or never?
I dont believe on heaven or hell, i have no idea were the **** we end up after death, who knos, personally i could just be a coward when im 87 or something and believe on jesus, i dont write things down, but if there is, i think god is a total retard then. I find it funny to see an guy with horns and dressed on red pocking people with a pointy stick.

6. What is your opinion regarding the "End-Time Battle" of Revelation? Do you think it will occur or is metaphor? If will occur, will Lucifer win or lose? What happens if he wins?
Blah blah, i believe lucifer should win, he is not an angel to me, and he is not into any kind of fight, he is tought gaining more power after most people are becoming aware of what a lie christianity is. Anyway after such a great rise on luciferianism, i do believe some sort of new change of mind will happen around the globe, hopefully will be for the good of humanity.

7. Do you see Lucifer as, for lack of a better term, a deity in his own right, like the true God (and God is the true Devil, or something)?
Yes i do, he is an great deity and a god by its own rights, he is no angel or demon to me, and i do believe christianity is evil at some point, i cant help myself to always feel disgusted at christian teachings, i cant stand them.

 

[Adelice]

Another question (sorry, I'm on a PS3, and I have a limit to typed characters) is:

Do you see Satan and Lucifer as one and the same?
Satan is a scary and offensive word to me, i sometimes call him father satan but i dont believe he deserves that name, it feels like being rude to him. I have no idea who satan is, and i do believe lucifer is just an god that got tangled into all this mess of making original gods into evil creatures just because.

Do you see theistic Satanism and theistic Luciferianism as the same religion, too? If no, what are the differences?
Kiiiinda yes, kinda no, in my experience i believe is easier to find information about lucifer on theistic satanism forums and pages, most luciferianism followers are atheist and a lil closed minded by believing an single story of the bible, the only difference is that satanism believes on him being satan and uses goat images, and does rituals and stuff like that, at least i suppose.

Theistic luciferianism is on its baby stages still, we havent arrived to a point were there are several people who have advanced the fallen angel ideal, and are dancing around believing on lucifer being an dark angel prince of evil things and doom or lucifer being an god.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

I didnt wanted to answer every single post on the luciferian forum and i have some spare time so im open for any kind of questions you might have.

Im a theistic luciferian, i believe on lucifer has an actual deity. Some luciferians around here might see my perspective a lil bit more different, i try to hold away from the idea of the fallen angel concept made by christianity.

Im not into all the bussiness of dark and good and that lucifer is an bad boy and he dresses all goth and neither i believe he is some kind of dark matter of any sort, so dont get surprised if i dont answer in some kind of magical dark way.

By the way, if any is interested on lucifer stories that arent related to the bible i can post them for you, just ask please.

Do theistic Luciferianisms believe there is an afterlife? Do they believe in judgement for what they've done even if the judge is Satan? Do they believe in right and wrong? Is so, how do they define what's right and wrong? Do they believe in any supernatural consequences at all for their actions?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Anyone know about Atheistic Luciferianism?

 

[Twig pentagram]

Anyone know about Atheistic Luciferianism?

:no: - You would have to go to the Ask me about non-theistic Luciferianism thread.