Aslamekum

[Iti oj]

If your understanding about islam and muslim's understanding about islam is same, than what's the difference between you and muslims ?

Their is a difference between knowing about something, and believing in something, just like its different to imagen something.

 

[chinu]

Swami Vivekananda explained this in his book. However I can't explain it as this will create a debate here and the thread is about a different topic.

Yes yes yes and please don't create a debate in my thread

and thankyou in advance

 

[loverOfTruth]

If i say that am a muslim, do you agree ? if agree than its ok, if not, than why ?

If you answer 'yes' to the following questions :
* Do you believe with all your heart and mind that there is only One God who is our Creator and the Creator of everything in the Heavens and the Earth ?
* If so, do you believe that this Creator(God) sent messengers(starting from Adam(pbuh) and then continuing with many other including Moses(pbuh) and Jesus(pbuh) and finally ending with Muhammad(pbuh)) to humanity to guide humanity to His way ?
* Finally, do you believe that when we die, we return to the same Creator(God) and will be held accountable for our deeds in this world ?

Then you are a Muslim (at least by Faith). What that means is that you are free of the only 'Unforgivable' sin (according to Islam) of denying God/associating partners with God, even though you won't be utilizing the true benefit of Islam/guidance from God unless you start practicing the other aspects of the faith.

 

[chinu]

Their is a difference between knowing about something, and believing in something, just like its different to imagen something.

My question is about.. understandings.

 

[chinu]

If you answer 'yes' to the following questions :

You mean, "Muslim" is said to be the only one who is agreed with your understandings ?

 

[loverOfTruth]

You mean, "Muslim" is said to be the only one who is agreed with your understandings ?

Not sure what you mean, but my understanding is according to the Qur'an which states : "O you who have believed, believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book that He sent down upon His Messenger and the Scripture which He sent down before. And whoever disbelieves in Allah , His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day has certainly gone far astray." (Al Qur'an 4:136)

 

[InvestigateTruth]

If i say that am a muslim, do you agree ? if agree than its ok, if not, than why ?

I actually neither agree, nore disagree.
I believe, being Moslem is a spiritual reality, which means submission to God, and that depends on purity of Soul. This is Something that only God can judge.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Not sure what you mean, but my understanding is according to the Qur'an which states : "O you who have believed, believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book that He sent down upon His Messenger and the Scripture which He sent down before. And whoever disbelieves in Allah , His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day has certainly gone far astray." (Al Qur'an 4:136)

This is a good quote. I agree. One of the things that Quran emphasizes over and over, which is about 1/3 of the whole Quran is the Last Day. However, it still depends on how we interprete "the Last Day". In Baha'i view, the verses regarding the Last Day, the Day of Resurrection, are Figurative (Mutishabihat) and that Day was a Day that a new guidance came, by which spiritually dead, is raised to life. This is why it is so important that Quran asks to believe and accept it over and over.

 

[loverOfTruth]

This is a good quote. I agree. One of the things that Quran emphasizes over and over, which is about 1/3 of the whole Quran is the Last Day. However, it still depends on how we interprete "the Last Day". In Baha'i view, the verses regarding the Last Day, the Day of Resurrection, are Figurative (Mutishabihat) and that Day was a Day that a new guidance came, by which spiritually dead, is raised to life. This is why it is so important that Quran asks to believe and accept it over and over.

If last day has already happened, then you would have to ask 'what are we doing here ?' - no need for judgement, heaven or hell then - that's not Islam. That's why it is called Baha'i and has not much to do with Islam. Peace.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

If last day has already happened, then you would have to ask 'what are we doing here ?'

Good Question. I am not interested in a debate, but I tell you that there is a difference in Baha'i understanding of The Quran and Muslim understanding of Quran.
This should not be surprising, Because, for example, Jews have a different understanding of Toruh, than Christians. Different Muslims have a different understanding of Bible or Quran. We all have different understandings about everything.

Now regarding the Day of Resurrection, What most Muslims understand from Quran is that, there would be a Day, which is called the Day of Resurrection. In that Day, all people who were dead come out of their graves, then humanity is Judged by God, then everyone according to his deeds, goes either to heaven and hell. and there would no one left on earth, because all mountains move, the Sun is darkened, the stars fall and all those things would happen. This understanding is based on a "literal" reading of Quran.

But Baha'is understand the Message of Quran this way:

There is a life after death, that when we die, our Spirit lives on. Depending on our deeds, our spirit would be near to God, or Far from God. Being far from God, is Hell. Nearness to God is Heaven. So, Baha'is believe in life after death, and heaven and hell in a spiritual sense. They believe those verses regarding Heaven and Hell are Figurative, not literal.

Then there is the subject of Day of Resurrection, which in Baha'i View has nothing to do with life after death. That is a Day, when guidance comes from God, which the spiritually Dead is brought to life. That the Sun is darkened, for example in Baha'i View, is a Figurative sign, which means when the guidance disappears from humanity, then Resurrection comes, so, the earth is given the light of guidance again. The Light of Sun, symbolizes guidance. Likewise all those things such as falling stars, are interpreted spiritually and figuratively. But to make this short, I would not talk about how every sign is interpreted.

Again, in Baha'i Undestanding, heaven and hell are not only life after death. But while we are in this world, depending on how spiritually we are near to God, we are in heaven and feeling happy, and if we are after worldly things and far from God, we are in Hell, and would suffer.
That after Resurrection Day, there is Heaven and Hell as said in Quran, in our view, is right now. That means, when a new guidance comes, those who reject it, fall in Hell of unbelief, and those who trutly believe are aided to become near to God spiritually.
All of these that I said, I can show them through Quran, Bible, and Hadithes, but since I am not interested in a debate, I prefer not to go on.
But how would Baha'is accept a different interpretation than what Muslims understood for generations? That is because, Baha'is believe that only God could interprete Quran correctly, and that He did it through His revelation to Baha'u'llah. Also, this interpretation can firmly be established even using Quran, Hadithes and Bible alone.

no need for judgement[?]

Again, Baha'is have a different understanding about this than Muslims generally.
In Baha'i View whenever, God sends a Messenger, He Judges humanity through His Messengers. So, for example, Jesus Judged people of His time. Muhammad Judged people of His time. Baha'u'llah Judged people of His time.

- Peace

 

[beenie]

I have to admit that I am horribly confused by this thread. It's in the debate section, yet you don't want debate? What exactly are you asking or wishing to discuss/debate, chinu?

 

[Sumit]

This thread is posted for different purpose and so If we create here debate/discussion about Islam and quran than the discussion will be out of topic.

If i say that am a muslim, do you agree ? if agree than its ok, if not, than why ?

 

[Assad91]

Mohamed phuh was god in man, and the holy quran is written by him.

Now, what do you say, am i muslim ? do you agree ?

Then you commit heresy and when corrected, if you persist, then your a kafir.

Ok, if i learned to respond properly, than am a muslim ? are you agree then ?

And, what do you say about any new born child in a muslim family who has still not learned to respond properly, is such child a muslim ?

I can didn't read my post. Saying the greeting doesn't make you Muslim.

Here's a question for you, Assad.

If one doesn't know to how to pronounce ''Thankyou", but, heartly want to say thankyou, is it a kufar ?

Maybe you are just trolling?

 

[F0uad]

I have to admit that I am horribly confused by this thread. It's in the debate section, yet you don't want debate? What exactly are you asking or wishing to discuss/debate, chinu?

This....

 

[GURSIKH]

Originally Posted by Sumit
Quran was not written by Mohammad but was revealed on Mohammad by Allah through Gabriel.

i have a question for my Muslim frnds ,it may sound silly ,so sorry in advance

why not Allah revealed directly to Mohammad sahib instead thru a Jinn/angel Gabriel ? is Allah Shy ?

still looking for answer ..

 

[chinu]

Not sure what you mean, but my understanding is according to the Qur'an which states : "O you who have believed, believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book that He sent down upon His Messenger and the Scripture which He sent down before. And whoever disbelieves in Allah , His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day has certainly gone far astray." (Al Qur'an 4:136)

>>> Do you believe with all your heart and mind that there is only One God who is our Creator and the Creator of everything in the Heavens and the Earth ?
* If so, do you believe that this Creator(God) sent messengers(starting from Adam(pbuh) and then continuing with many other including Moses(pbuh) and Jesus(pbuh) and finally ending with Muhammad(pbuh)) to humanity to guide humanity to His way ?
* Finally, do you believe that when we die, we return to the same Creator(God) and will be held accountable for our deeds in this world ? <<<

But, as you said me to answer "Yes" to these questions above in order to be Muslim, Are these questions according to "Quran" or "You" ? if they are according to quran, than where it is written can you tell ?

 

[chinu]

I actually neither agree, nore disagree.
I believe, being Moslem is a spiritual reality, which means submission to God, and that depends on purity of Soul. This is Something that only God can judge.

You mean nobody other than God has the right to declare someone as true Muslim ?

 

[chinu]

I have to admit that I am horribly confused by this thread. It's in the debate section, yet you don't want debate? What exactly are you asking or wishing to discuss/debate, chinu?

Actually i don't want a war wearing the clothes of debate.

 

[loverOfTruth]

>>> Do you believe with all your heart and mind that there is only One God who is our Creator and the Creator of everything in the Heavens and the Earth ?
* If so, do you believe that this Creator(God) sent messengers(starting from Adam(pbuh) and then continuing with many other including Moses(pbuh) and Jesus(pbuh) and finally ending with Muhammad(pbuh)) to humanity to guide humanity to His way ?
* Finally, do you believe that when we die, we return to the same Creator(God) and will be held accountable for our deeds in this world ? <<<

But, as you said me to answer "Yes" to these questions above in order to be Muslim, Are these questions according to "Quran" or "You" ? if they are according to quran, than where it is written can you tell ?

I have summarized it into those 3 questions as derived from the Qur'an and Hadith. I thought the Quranic verse I gave you was sufficient to show that. If you want more, here is some more.

"And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith].Those are upon

guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful." (Al-Qur'an 2:4-5)

"Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him." (Al-Qur'an 2:136)

"Say, "Who is Lord of the heavens and earth?" Say, " Allah ." Say, "Have you then taken besides Him allies not possessing [even] for themselves any benefit or any harm?" Say, "Is the blind equivalent to the seeing? Or is darkness equivalent to light? Or have they attributed to Allah partners who created like His creation so that the creation [of each] seemed similar to them?" Say, " Allah is the Creator of all things, and He is the One, the Prevailing."" (Al-Qur'an 13:16)

Also, according to one well known saying of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh), when angel Gabriel asked him about Faith, he(pbuh) replied "It is that you believe in Allah and His angels and His Books and His Messengers and in the Last Day, and in fate (qadar), both in its good and in its evil aspects." [1]

[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Gabriel

Hope this is clear now.​

 

[chinu]

I have summarized it into those 3 questions as derived from the Qur'an and Hadith. I thought the Quranic verse I gave you was sufficient to show that. If you want more, here is some more.

"And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith].Those are upon

guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful." (Al-Qur'an 2:4-5)

"Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him." (Al-Qur'an 2:136)

"Say, "Who is Lord of the heavens and earth?" Say, " Allah ." Say, "Have you then taken besides Him allies not possessing [even] for themselves any benefit or any harm?" Say, "Is the blind equivalent to the seeing? Or is darkness equivalent to light? Or have they attributed to Allah partners who created like His creation so that the creation [of each] seemed similar to them?" Say, " Allah is the Creator of all things, and He is the One, the Prevailing."" (Al-Qur'an 13:16)

Also, according to one well known saying of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh), when angel Gabriel asked him about Faith, he(pbuh) replied "It is that you believe in Allah and His angels and His Books and His Messengers and in the Last Day, and in fate (qadar), both in its good and in its evil aspects." [1]

[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Gabriel

Hope this is clear now.​

No, you are wrong, because quran is not writtren in english. ​