Assigned opinion debate: Evolution

[Kilgore Trout]

Everything that is created must have a Creator. It is obvious to anyone who isn't blind that everything in the universe is created, therefore the universe must have a Creator. This Creator is obviously God.

 

[Autodidact]

Everything that is created must have a Creator. It is obvious to anyone who isn't blind that everything in the universe is created, therefore the universe must have a Creator. This Creator is obviously God.

In fact, this is the definition of God. Therefore, QED, God created the universe and everything in it. Since, as you admit, science does not disprove this, clearly creationism is established. As a side benefit, the creationists have won the debate. :beach:

 

[Orias]

There are several problems with evolution. Evolutionists are always changing their minds about how evolution works. They cannot even decide if evolution happens gradually or in punctuated equilibrium. They cannot prove that life descended from a common ancestor. Evolution is a theory without significant evidence.

There only needs to be one problem with creationists though.

A simple matter of aesthetic subscriptions could apply here very well, we may be doubtful of our own observations, but at least we don't have our "leaders" going around saying that condoms spread aids

It is commonly understood that, that which is questioned is often complicated and skewed, eventually leading to a greater understanding however.

"He that is slow to believe anything and everything is of great understanding, for the belief in one false principle is the beginning of all un-wisdom."-Anton LaVey (wait this could be used against me couldn't it?)

 

[Revoltingest]

Creationism makes sense. The physical properties of the universe are precisely tuned to support life....a little variation in either
direction of a single property & poof! No life. Some materialists try to get around this by positing the existence of a plethora of
universes, each with different properties. This seems an unreasonable, albeit remotely possible, stretch. It makes more sense
that some intelligent force has arranged the affairs of His ant farm writ large. Nuclear reactions, abiogenesis, evolution, etc are
the simply tools His Godliness employed to create life.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Creationism makes sense. The physical properties of the universe are precisely tuned to support life....a little variation in either direction of a single property & poof! No life. Some materialists try to get around this by positing the existence of a plethora of universes, each with different properties. This seems an unreasonable, albeit remotely possible, stretch. It makes more sense that some force has arranged the affairs of His ant farm writ large.

Absolutely. Did you know that if the earth was ONE INCH closer or further from the sun that all life would DIE? Just think about that for a minute. The odds of the earth being at exactly the right distance from the sun are so astronomical that God is the only rational conclusion.

 

[Orias]

Absolutely. Did you know that if the earth was ONE INCH closer or further from the sun that all life would DIE? Just think about that for a minute. The odds of the earth being at exactly the right distance from the sun are so astronomical that God is the only rational conclusion.

POE!

(JK)

It is funny for one to speak of creationism and then mention "odds".

I guess evolutionary creationism has never been brought up has it?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

It is funny for one to speak of creationism and then mention "odds".

Actually, odds are integral to creation. Did you know that mathematicians have calculated that the odds of life arising on its own are so remote that it's virtually impossible? Darwinists always seem to avoid addressing this fact.

I guess evolutionary creationism has never been brought up has it?

Oh, it's definitely been proven that evolution exists, but only micro-evolution. Evolution doesn't create new kinds, but only creates variety within the kinds that God created. For example, in the beginning God created bears - a clearly identifiable kind. Since the time of Noah, evolution has created the different types of bears we have now - grizzly bears, brown bears, polar bears, panda bears, koala bears, etc.

 

[Skwim]

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Actually, odds are integral to creation. Did you know that mathematicians have calculated that the odds of life arising on its own are so remote that it's virtually impossible? Darwinists always seem to avoid addressing this fact.

Abiogenesis is NOT, NOT, NOT relevant to evolution. SHEESH! It's only important to desperate creationists.

Oh, it's definitely been proven that evolution exists, but only micro-evolution.

But as every 4th grade school kid knows, 10 X micro-evolution = MACRO-evolution.

Evolution doesn't create new kinds,

Correct. It creates new species. Nice to see a creationist slowly coming to their senses.

For example, in the beginning God created bears

And all the time I thought in the beginning he created light, and heaven and the earth, and such. Must have missed the "bear" part.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Abiogenesis is NOT, NOT, NOT relevant to evolution. SHEESH! It's only important to desperate creationists.


But as every 4th grade school kid knows, 10 X micro-evolution = MACRO-evolution.

Correct. It creates new species. Nice to see a creationist slowly coming to their senses.
And all the time I thought in the beginning he created light, and heaven and the earth, and such. Must have missed the "bear" part.

Well, evolution is just a theory, and if it was a proven scientific law, then there wouldn't be anything to argue over. I haven't seen a monkey give birth to a cat yet, and if it can't be observed, then it can't be proven. You evolutionists want me to prove god exists - well I want you to prove evolution exists. Neither of us can prove it - we both just have our beliefs. But, at least my beliefs don't make life a meaningless collection of random events.

 

[Revoltingest]

Absolutely. Did you know that if the earth was ONE INCH closer or further from the sun that all life would DIE? Just think about that for a minute. The odds of the earth being at exactly the right distance from the sun are so astronomical that God is the only rational conclusion.

Of course, your argument is unsupported....typical anti-creationist....using words to say things!
Earth need not be located with such precision, & couldn't be, given its elliptical orbit.
It seems that you're unfamiliar with physical constants such as the values of the strong
nuclear force, weak nuclear force, gravity, etc.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Of course, your argument is unsupported....typical anti-creationist....using words to say things!

I'm arguing for creationism, and I don't use words to say things - I say things using words.

Earth need not be located with such precision, & couldn't be, given its elliptical orbit.
It seems that you're unfamiliar with physical constants such as the values of the strong
nuclear force, weak nuclear force, gravity, etc.

Oh, and how did you measure the earth's orbit? Did you fly into space with a big ruler? LOL!

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Okay - I'm assuming that an underscore is like a space, and therefore not considered a character... so I'm on the creationist side.

Abiogenesis is NOT, NOT, NOT relevant to evolution. SHEESH! It's only important to desperate creationists.

That's not true. It's relevant to evolution, because if we need a god to explain the origins of life, then we can still take as given that this god exists when we consider how life developed.

One of the evolutionist responses to the fine-tuning argument is to point out that it's not a matter of the absolute likelihood of evolution, but the relative likelihood of it versus the likelihood of a creator-god... but if we can show that a creator-god is certain, then the absolute likelihood of evolution becomes relevant again.

 

[Skwim]

Well, evolution is just a theory, and if it was a proven scientific law, then there wouldn't be anything to argue over.

Kind of like if creationism wasn't the invention of fundy Christians who have painted themselves in a corner with Literalism paint then there wouldn't be anything to argue over.

I haven't seen a monkey give birth to a cat yet, and if it can't be observed, then it can't be proven.

. Have you ever seen a monkey give birth to anything? I would bet NOT.

You evolutionists want me to prove god exists - well I want you to prove evolution exists.

Don't really care that much about your god to give a hoot. And you'd be incapable of recognizing any proof if it bit you in your holy hinder, so I'm not about to waste my words.

Neither of us can prove it

At last an intelligent remark.

- we both just have our beliefs. But, at least my beliefs don't make life a meaningless collection of random events.

Sorry that you need to concoct a sky daddy to give your life meaning, but I do understand your desperate need. My best to you and your divine duvet in the sky.

 

[Alceste]

Where's Thief and Man of Faith? That would be something to see.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Kind of like if creationism wasn't the invention of fundy Christians who have painted themselves in a corner with Literalism paint then there wouldn't be anything to argue over.

. Have you ever seen a monkey give birth to anything? I would bet NOT.

Don't really care that much about your god to give a hoot. And you'd be incapable of recognizing any proof if it bit you in your holy hinder, so I'm not about to waste my words.

At last an intelligent remark.

Sorry that you need to concoct a sky daddy to give your life meaning, but I do understand your desperate need. My best to you and your divine duvet in the sky.

I see that, like the typical atheist, you ultimately have nothing to resort to but insults. Maybe if you let the love of God into your heart, you wouldn't be so negative and you'd be able to look at wonder of creation and KNOW that it came from God's Love.

Evolutionism, at its heart, is a DESTRUCTIVE philosophy that attempts to bring men down to the level of animals, and deny the existence of the Eternal Soul. This in itself is another proof of God's Creation.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm arguing for creationism, and I don't use words to say things - I say things using words.

I was thrown by the space in your name.

Oh, and how did you measure the earth's orbit? Did you fly into space with a big ruler? LOL!

I guessed, based upon the fact that forces acting upon the Earth would cause
its orbit to change far more than an inch during life's tenancy here.

 

[Alceste]

OK, creationists, get ready for the onslaught:


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8yjNbcKkNY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[Jose Fly]

IMPORTANT: READ THIS POST
This is a very special thread that I want to do as an experiment. In debates on this forum, we debate the positions we actually support but in a debate club you are given a position to debate for.

I was on a debate team and was once assigned to advocate evolution, and after I had won the debate was assigned to advocate creationism. I won that debate as well.

The point is to demonstrate that in formal debate, while having the facts on your side is certainly helpful, it doesn't always translate into victory.

 

[Dan4reason]

How about underscores?

I'd actually like to try the creationist side for this one, but I'll stick to the rules and whatever you decide on this.

If underscores are characters, I'm arguing evolution. If they're not, it's creationism for me.

Underscores are characters. You are lucky enough to be an evolutionist.

 

[Skwim]

I see that, like the typical atheist, you ultimately have nothing to resort to but insults. Maybe if you let the love of God into your heart, you wouldn't be so negative and you'd be able to look at wonder of creation and KNOW that it came from God's Love.

I did let the love of god into my heart, and it told me evolution was the right-hand path and that creationism was a tool of Satan. Not quite certain what that means, but I'm sure you have a good handle on god talk and such.

Evolutionism, at its heart, is a DESTRUCTIVE philosophy that attempts to bring men down to the level of animals, and deny the existence of the Eternal Soul. This in itself is another proof of God's Creation.

"Evolutionism" is a product of mans' closing approach to a universe better understood; out flanking the sorry myths of yore that bind mens' minds to the folly of faith. The angels of your heaven would snicker at the religious idiocy of a creationist diversity were they not so busy applauding the progress in evolutionary science. The check mate of creationism is only a couple of moves away, so prepare for its end times, friend. And while we would normally welcome your defection to our side, your defective brain genes would set the evolution of mankind too far back to make it worthwhile.

:bow: DARWIN RULES! :bow:
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