Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
What evidence do you have that it isn't the evolutionists who are living in self-delusion. You can't change the fact that the Bible works for millions of Christians.
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Assigned opinion debate: Evolution
- Thread starter Dan4reason
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What evidence do you have that it isn't the evolutionists who are living in self-delusion. You can't change the fact that the Bible works for millions of Christians.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Because evolution isn't based on make believe hearsay, but on rational, down to earth evidence. Anyone handed creationists "evidence" will never see the same thing the creationist does, although they will agree with it out of necessity, whereas in evolution this is almost a requisite for validating evidence.
No different than how pacifiers work on a needy babies.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Really? Yet not a single piece of such evidence in this thread, unlike the creationists.
I realize you're bigoted against Christians, but would you try to stick to the subject instead of revealing it? Thanks.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Not bigoted against Christians, but against bigoted Christians.
You meant reveling in it
didn't you?
All right I will play. But I will not poe. I am going to put forth a serious argument, not one that I necessarily think is true, but one that I think is valid and worthy of serious consideration.
Also this will not be an argument of traditional forms of creationism, but I am going to argue that life on this planet was designed (as well as the planet and the universe). So I think this meets the criteria set. So here we go.
First consider things like The Sims, or Second Life or any other simulation of human beings. These simulations are crude and simplistic but also consider that rate of advancement of computer power. The supercomputer called Blue Jean can currently perform 134.4 trillion calculations per second. And that is with today’s technology. Futurist Seth Lloyd believes that the ultimate limit of computer power will be 5.0 X 10^50 per second (that is a 5 followed by 50 zeros. I can't figure out how to do exponents on this board). This is enough computer power to simulate the neural processes of every human being that has ever lived on this planet in just a few minutes. We will have the ability to simulate a planet full of people, and we will do so. We already are make these kind of simulations and they will only get more sophisticated and advanced.
Now let me go one step farther. Imagine that at some time in the future you will be able to simulate billions of sentient people on your laptop computer. And people will do this. Now imagine that a future government decides to take a census of all sentient beings, both those make of flesh and blood, and those existing only inside a computer. They will inevitably find that the simulated people outnumber the flesh and blood people by a factor of several billion. So considering the fact that simulated people will be so much more numerous than flesh and blood people, and given the fact that simulated people are so much easier to create than real flesh and blood people it is actually overwhelmingly more likely that you are a simulation rather than an biological being. Welcome to the Matrix.
So yes, life was designed, every detail that we know on this planet, everything that we can see is nothing more than a computer simulation. Designed and programmed on a computer.
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The Neo Nerd
Well-Known Member
fantôme profane;2398578 said:
I'm sorry but i can't see the link between your argument and any form of creation.
-Q
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Again, that's antedotal evidence.
It is not what most people typically mean by the term creationism. That is why I quoted Dans clarification of what the assignment was.
My argument is just that, that life was designed, created. I suppose you could classify it as a form of intelligent design. Intelligent programming.
The fine-tuning argument is one that is often presented by creationists. If the gravitational constant were slightly different, or if the mass of the proton was different then life would not exist in our universe. If our planet was bigger or smaller, closer or farther away from the sun then life would not exist on this planet. But if all that we see is just a computer program then this presents no problem. The gravitation constant was simply chosen by the programmer and inserted into the computer code. The size of the planet and the distance from the sun were also deliberately chosen. And this was done with the intent create the kind of simulated life that the programmer wanted.
It is also often argued by creationists that the details of biological life are too complex to have come about through naturalistic means. But in the computer simulation scenario they didnt come about through naturalistic means. They came about through deliberate intent. Sentient life forms created at the whim of programmer. Deliberately created sentient life. That is creationism.
Orias
Left Hand Path
Hate is such a hateful word, lets call it "loathing". Evolution merely relies on those who follow it, much like Christianity. Though it's properties may exploit the harsher side of man, it goes without merit that many "Christians" also follow such a doubtful or scientific path.
Tis not mere coincidence, rather conscious and implied effort to evolve man's inner workings.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
who programmed the programmer?
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Orias
Left Hand Path
TEXASBULL
Member
God done it! yes sir, God done it alright!
I stand on the word! God is good, all the time , and all the time God is good! yep, yes sir, yep.
Hallelujah praise Jesus. Amen! Glory! Shout to the lord O ye Saints for his wonderful creation!
---debate officially over--- ( Jesus 100 - Devil 0! ) In yo face devil!
I stand on the word! God is good, all the time , and all the time God is good! yep, yes sir, yep.
Hallelujah praise Jesus. Amen! Glory! Shout to the lord O ye Saints for his wonderful creation!
---debate officially over--- ( Jesus 100 - Devil 0! ) In yo face devil!
An excellent question and one I cannot answer. But that does not invalidate the idea.
Ok.
The problem with you Evilutionist is that you are not looking for evidence; you are looking for "Scientific evidence." But why? Do you need "Accounting Evidence" to explain Geology? Do you need "mathematical" evidence to support archealogy? If not, why do you require "Scientific" evidence to support Religion? The mistake that you are all making is to reject all our evidence on the basis that they do not meet scientific requirements. TO HELL WITH SCIENCE!!!!!
Also, you talk nonsense about creation telling the "who" but not the "how"; is this different from your evilution?? Your evilution talks about "changes in gene pool of a population from generation to generation" (i am sure we all know that a creationist would NEVER use this as a definition for evolution
) All I here in evolution is WHAT changes; not HOW. Can you tell me HOW the gene pool changed????? So, it is ridiculous for you to be asking us HOW our beloved heavenly father God created all the wonderful animals and plants, while you do not ask the same "HOW" of your evilutionist theory!!!!!!!EVILUTONIST IS EVIL!!!
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Once you hit millions, you're out of the realm of anecdote and into statistics. The Bible works for everyone who accepts it and trusts it. It works.
Ok, if you are so smart answer me this question. Who wrote The Murders in the Rue Morgue?WHAT??? you can't answer a simple question as that? Perhaps you didnt read the question well so let me repeat it; "Who program the programmer?" GOD!!!! gosh, how could you not know the answer?