at Madison Square Garden: an Ugly "Carnival of Grievances, Misogyny and Racism"

[Revoltingest]

Bigotry, religiosity, hostility, & utter stupidity.
The Republican Party needs extreme reform.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

What did I learn from what I saw of the Trump rally.. That these right wingers truly hate non-whites. They are furious that non-whites are part of America.

Well I don't hate non-whites, or whites. It seems that we all add diversity to the world, bringing it to the world table. But I will say this: the left-wing clearly leaves a big vacuum here, in which it enables right-wing attraction to whites. Because of this: the Left seems to refuse to create a positive white identity group to be nested among the others, that is imbued with the left-wing values that it prefers. In order to do that, I feel that it cannot simply be geared toward constant criticism mode of whites. We aren't all hostile, we aren't all bigots, we don't all make stupid jokes, or like right-wing views

I'm not the smartest person on the planet, but it seems like this might solve some of the problem

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

the Left seems to refuse to create a white identity group to be nested among the others,

good grief​

 

[amorphous_constellation]

good grief​

If you can't see how the Left is creating a vacuum for the bad part of the Right, to just suck people up into all of these distasteful things, then I don't know if you have thought that much about all of this Jayhawker. Prove me wrong. Actually provide a rebuttal of more than 1 or 2 sentences, if you would

 

[F1fan]

If you can't see how the Left is creating a vacuum for the bad part of the Right, to just suck people up into all of these distasteful things, then I don't know if you have thought that much about all of this Jayhawker. Prove me wrong. Actually provide a rebuttal of more than 1 or 2 sentences, if you would

I can’t “see” what you mean by all this. What vacuum? What white identity? Why do liberals get blamed for what bad republicans do?

Explain all this.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Prove me wrong.

What? I can't even prove you coherent. Go create your own "white identity group" - just don't expect me to respect such nonsense.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

What? I can't even prove you coherent. Go create your own "white identity group" - just don't expect me to respect such nonsense.

I respect Jews, but I know that they themselves seem to fall into either a right-wing or left-wing group, and that level of detail really matters, right? I think the reason is, is that if the world decides that identify groups are actually meaningful (enough people seem to believe it), then levels and layers of detail have to be added to describe what the beliefs are, in these groups, and who they want to be

Or, a different definition of diversity reduces group diversity to individual diversity, which tends to absolve the different human groups and beliefs in favor of individual idiosyncrasy. This is a valid value judgement as well, on how the human future should work, but it is different in kind to the group-level path. Or are these both compatible

Whichever of these two paths the world wants isn't up to me. Which should it be, or are they compatible. What does the future look like, for all the different human groups and individuals?

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I can’t “see” what you mean by all this. What vacuum? What white identity? Why do liberals get blamed for what bad republicans do?

Explain all this.

Well, there are distasteful qualities that people engage in - racism, bigotry etc. etc. In the far right, they do this. However, the right-wing, so far as I can tell, is the only political group that recognizes whites as a group body, and meets them without a great saturation of guilt on them, and criticism of them, for their history or who they are etc. Some of it is justified, but not all of it. So then, the left could similarity open some kind of a pathway, perhaps for these very same people, not to act in the way that we all find so distasteful, via a carefully curated opening for who they are. It does not seem to exist on the left - there is no white identity group on the left

But whatever, I'm not in control of what happens politically, and I don't have the time to care all that much. Just adding my two cents. I have a lot of stress in my work life. You guys who care, you can decide what happens. If kamala wins then fine, whatever

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

If you can't see how the Left is creating a vacuum for the bad part of the Right, to just suck people up into all of these distasteful things, then I don't know if you have thought that much about all of this Jayhawker. Prove me wrong. Actually provide a rebuttal of more than 1 or 2 sentences, if you would

You cannot shift the blame away from the guilty like that. It's just like the fellow who justifies raping a woman because "she dressed seductively, so I was seduced and did her -- it's not my fault."

Sorry, if some people on the right, or even many, are bigots, they are bigots on their own terms and must take the responsibility for the behaviours themselves.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I respect Jews

(Be still my heart.)

 

[amorphous_constellation]

You cannot shift the blame away from the guilty like that. It's just like the fellow who justifies raping a woman because "she dressed seductively, so I was seduced and did her -- it's not my fault."

Sorry, if some people on the right, or even many, are bigots, they are bigots on their own terms and must take the responsibility for the behaviours themselves.

I think what I might argue, is that people are brainwashable. But they all can also be led to believe better or things, or worse things. There might be a sizable population of bigots in america - but if there are, they probably are mostly followers, rather than people who can do lots of thinking for themselves. It is possibly a huge problem. I think that vacuums can be created everywhere

 

[sun rise]

Here's the voice of a real conservative who can't stomach Trump - those that some just pretend don't exist. To have someone oppose everything Harris stands for but vote for her anyway is one of the remarkable and hopeful signs. We can fight about policy but we need to save America from Trump first.

My fellow conservatives, we have to split the ticket to save the US Constitution | Opinion

• I am pro-life. I love that Donald Trump and his Federalist Society judicial nominees overthrew Roe v. Wade, a lawless example of judicial overreach.
• I am skeptical of climate change and the extreme environmental agenda. I am glad Trump allowed us to drill our way to energy independence and shut down the Green New Deal.
• I believe the Second Amendment protects the God-given individual right to self defense and for me to own my AR-15 along with the high capacity magazines that make it a blast to shoot. Trump’s indifference to calls for gun control is exactly the right stance.
• I believe China is a menace that competes unfairly. Trump was exactly right to impose big tariffs and begin the process of decoupling our economy from the dangerous totalitarian state.
• I am the great-grandson of immigrants on both sides of my family who came after World War I — some of them to St. Joseph, Missouri — but I agree with Trump that immigration is out of control. I am all for shutting down illegal immigration, deporting as many undocumented immigrants as we can and rethinking the way we do legal immigration to put American interests first.

But I will be forcing myself to trudge to the polls and pulling the lever for Kamala Harris, the most awful, socialism-friendly, fake Democratic presidential candidate of my lifetime. I feel so strongly that I have handmade a sign I put outside my house in Nebraska’s 2nd Congressional District where our one (blue dot) electoral vote may hold the key to putting her in the White House.​

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The reasons I will vote against Trump are searingly clear and undebatable.​

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I am an Army veteran sworn to uphold the Constitution and a conservative who reveres the institutions of our democratic republic. Trump tried to overthrow our 250-year-old system of government on Jan. 6, 2021. He tried to force then Vice President Mike Pence to ignore the Constitution and our votes. He emitted a blizzard of lies for months that drove his true believers to storm the Capitol, bringing violence into our political system in the most dangerous way since the Civil War. A vote for Trump could be my last vote if he has his way.​

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I am also a Christian an Eagle Scout and a husband. Trump is everything I stand against. He treats women like trash — for which he has been found liable for sexual assault. His disregard for his marital oath presaged his disregard for his constitutional oath. He ignores the law whenever it suits him — for which he has been branded a felon. He is utterly without personal responsibility — for which he has gone to bankruptcy court a half dozen times. The best that can be said of him is that he has not violated all of the Ten Commandments, at least that I know of.​

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Here's the voice of a real conservative who can't stomach Trump - those that some just pretend don't exist.

Interesting guy. Thanks.

 

[Pogo]

If you can't see how the Left is creating a vacuum for the bad part of the Right, to just suck people up into all of these distasteful things, then I don't know if you have thought that much about all of this Jayhawker. Prove me wrong. Actually provide a rebuttal of more than 1 or 2 sentences, if you would

Just what sort of safe space should we create for xenophobic, misogynist, economically illiterate people bent on denying the effects of climate change etc. do you think that they should be creating?

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Just what sort of safe space should we create for xenophobic, misogynist, economically illiterate people bent on denying the effects of climate change etc. do you think that they should be creating?

It might give you the leverage to actually curate what you want them to think. If you do it well. Look, I'm just giving out a suggestion. If you have a better vision of how things might work better, or of how things might look in the future given x or y political plan, put it forward. Whatever

 

[Subduction Zone]

Incorrect. The comedian called Puerto Rico and it's people trash.
Why are you here defending racism? I know why.

The Trump campaign is distancing itself from the racist joke. But you're not, lmao.

His show was so horrendous that hardly even any Republicans laughed at it. Those in charge should have yanked him early. He said the quiet parts out loud. That is a big no no.

 

[Riders]

I was about to put up an article asking if Trump was trying to commit political suicide?

 

[sun rise]

Here's the voice of a real conservative who can't stomach Trump - those that some just pretend don't exist. To have someone oppose everything Harris stands for but vote for her anyway is one of the remarkable and hopeful signs. We can fight about policy but we need to save America from Trump first.

My fellow conservatives, we have to split the ticket to save the US Constitution | Opinion

• I am pro-life. I love that Donald Trump and his Federalist Society judicial nominees overthrew Roe v. Wade, a lawless example of judicial overreach.
• I am skeptical of climate change and the extreme environmental agenda. I am glad Trump allowed us to drill our way to energy independence and shut down the Green New Deal.
• I believe the Second Amendment protects the God-given individual right to self defense and for me to own my AR-15 along with the high capacity magazines that make it a blast to shoot. Trump’s indifference to calls for gun control is exactly the right stance.
• I believe China is a menace that competes unfairly. Trump was exactly right to impose big tariffs and begin the process of decoupling our economy from the dangerous totalitarian state.
• I am the great-grandson of immigrants on both sides of my family who came after World War I — some of them to St. Joseph, Missouri — but I agree with Trump that immigration is out of control. I am all for shutting down illegal immigration, deporting as many undocumented immigrants as we can and rethinking the way we do legal immigration to put American interests first.

But I will be forcing myself to trudge to the polls and pulling the lever for Kamala Harris, the most awful, socialism-friendly, fake Democratic presidential candidate of my lifetime. I feel so strongly that I have handmade a sign I put outside my house in Nebraska’s 2nd Congressional District where our one (blue dot) electoral vote may hold the key to putting her in the White House.​

​

The reasons I will vote against Trump are searingly clear and undebatable.​

​

I am an Army veteran sworn to uphold the Constitution and a conservative who reveres the institutions of our democratic republic. Trump tried to overthrow our 250-year-old system of government on Jan. 6, 2021. He tried to force then Vice President Mike Pence to ignore the Constitution and our votes. He emitted a blizzard of lies for months that drove his true believers to storm the Capitol, bringing violence into our political system in the most dangerous way since the Civil War. A vote for Trump could be my last vote if he has his way.​

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I am also a Christian an Eagle Scout and a husband. Trump is everything I stand against. He treats women like trash — for which he has been found liable for sexual assault. His disregard for his marital oath presaged his disregard for his constitutional oath. He ignores the law whenever it suits him — for which he has been branded a felon. He is utterly without personal responsibility — for which he has gone to bankruptcy court a half dozen times. The best that can be said of him is that he has not violated all of the Ten Commandments, at least that I know of.​

His show was so horrendous that hardly even any Republicans laughed at it. Those in charge should have yanked him early. He said the quiet parts out loud. That is a big no no.

He was hired for a reason and to just focus on what he said and ignore everything else is fallacious.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Here's the voice of a real conservative who can't stomach Trump - those that some just pretend don't exist. To have someone oppose everything Harris stands for but vote for her anyway is one of the remarkable and hopeful signs. We can fight about policy but we need to save America from Trump first.

My fellow conservatives, we have to split the ticket to save the US Constitution | Opinion

• I am pro-life. I love that Donald Trump and his Federalist Society judicial nominees overthrew Roe v. Wade, a lawless example of judicial overreach.
• I am skeptical of climate change and the extreme environmental agenda. I am glad Trump allowed us to drill our way to energy independence and shut down the Green New Deal.
• I believe the Second Amendment protects the God-given individual right to self defense and for me to own my AR-15 along with the high capacity magazines that make it a blast to shoot. Trump’s indifference to calls for gun control is exactly the right stance.
• I believe China is a menace that competes unfairly. Trump was exactly right to impose big tariffs and begin the process of decoupling our economy from the dangerous totalitarian state.
• I am the great-grandson of immigrants on both sides of my family who came after World War I — some of them to St. Joseph, Missouri — but I agree with Trump that immigration is out of control. I am all for shutting down illegal immigration, deporting as many undocumented immigrants as we can and rethinking the way we do legal immigration to put American interests first.

But I will be forcing myself to trudge to the polls and pulling the lever for Kamala Harris, the most awful, socialism-friendly, fake Democratic presidential candidate of my lifetime. I feel so strongly that I have handmade a sign I put outside my house in Nebraska’s 2nd Congressional District where our one (blue dot) electoral vote may hold the key to putting her in the White House.​

​

The reasons I will vote against Trump are searingly clear and undebatable.​

​

I am an Army veteran sworn to uphold the Constitution and a conservative who reveres the institutions of our democratic republic. Trump tried to overthrow our 250-year-old system of government on Jan. 6, 2021. He tried to force then Vice President Mike Pence to ignore the Constitution and our votes. He emitted a blizzard of lies for months that drove his true believers to storm the Capitol, bringing violence into our political system in the most dangerous way since the Civil War. A vote for Trump could be my last vote if he has his way.​

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I am also a Christian an Eagle Scout and a husband. Trump is everything I stand against. He treats women like trash — for which he has been found liable for sexual assault. His disregard for his marital oath presaged his disregard for his constitutional oath. He ignores the law whenever it suits him — for which he has been branded a felon. He is utterly without personal responsibility — for which he has gone to bankruptcy court a half dozen times. The best that can be said of him is that he has not violated all of the Ten Commandments, at least that I know of.​

He was hired for a reason and to just focus on what he said and ignore everything else is fallacious.

Part of my brain still thinks that the Republicans can be rational, even though all of the evidence shouts "No" at me. I am more than a little sad that I will probably not be able to vote for my old party again in my lifetime. The Republicans have completely changed from what they were when they were the party of inclusivity. When they were the party that came up with the EPA and even OSHA. When they strongly supported building infrastructure and were also the party of science. Now they are none of those things.

 

[sun rise]

Part of my brain still thinks that the Republicans can be rational,

Some are. The best chance we have is for Harris to win in a landslide and Democrats take the House and retain the Senate - total refutation of MAGA. Or maybe it will take creating a new political party composed of those who believe in America.