Atheism: A belief?

[Alceste]

The angels will not allow me a plea of ignorance.

You are speaking for yourself.

Of course they will ask if I told anyone else.
They will then come looking for you.

ROFL. The angels should have warned you I have no tolerance for nonsense. If they'd given you a scrap of evidence and the faintest notion of reason you might have convinced me. Will you be punished for your failure?

 

[waitasec]

It isn't.

No matter what you do or believe or say, somebody somewhere has thought up an afterlife where you will be rewarded for it and somebody else has thought up another where you will be punished.

i wonder, without the belief of an after life would that change the common decency we all abide by in the here and now

 

[Thief]

It is still puerile, arbitrary, pointless and destructive fearmongering. And that is really all the objection that anyone needs to such an attitude.

Belief in God is legitimate, but not for such fear-based reasons.

It's not fear based.

You might bravely say anything you please.....

But as we stand before God....there may be objection and consequence to your words.

 

[LuisDantas]

I'll take my chances. If god is silly, so much the worse for him.

 

[Thief]

ROFL. The angels should have warned you I have no tolerance for nonsense. If they'd given you a scrap of evidence and the faintest notion of reason you might have convinced me. Will you be punished for your failure?

Nay....you have the scribes and the prophets...as do I.

At some point....and I think you've already crossed that line.....
conviction takes hold.
The clay will harden.

Then nothing more can be done.
Further reshaping will crack the vessel.

 

[Thief]

I'll take my chances. If god is silly, so much the worse for him.

Calling God silly?
Really?

 

[Alceste]

It's not fear based.

You might bravely say anything you please.....

But as we stand before God....there may be objection and consequence to your words.

And yours. I'm not sitting in your god's throne passing judgment and pretending to speak for him. What is the "reaction" for that?

 

[Alceste]

Nay....you have the scribes and the prophets...as do I.

Yep, and my preference is for Lao Tsu, as his text is compatible with reason and empiricism and his wisdom is genuinely timeless. The Bible pales in comparison.

At some point....and I think you've already crossed that line.....
conviction takes hold.
The clay will harden.

Then nothing more can be done.
Further reshaping will crack the vessel.

I don't care what you think. You've got your world view, I've got mine.

 

[Thief]

Yep, and my preference is for Lao Tsu, as his text is compatible with empiricism. The Bible pales in comparison.

I hope your prophet stands well before God.

I don't care what you think. You've got your world view, I've got mine.

Your apathy is noted.

 

[Alceste]

Calling God silly?
Really?

No, YOU are calling God silly. Luis is saying that if god is as much of a twit as you portray him to be, that's too bad for god.

 

[Thief]

And yours. I'm not sitting in your god's throne passing judgment and pretending to speak for him. What is the "reaction" for that?

BTW...judgment is something we all posses.
You were doing something else?

 

[Thief]

No, YOU are calling God silly. Luis is saying that if god is as much of a twit as you portray him to be, that's too bad for god.

I don't think of God as silly....really.

 

[LuisDantas]

Calling God silly?
Really?

Anyone who cares on whether or not I am afraid of what will happen after I die due to my disbelief in God is by definition silly, yes.

Especially so if it is such an hypothetical God. By definition he would be utterly unworthy of my attention and ought to know so from the word go. If he is real or not is completely irrelevant. A God that is not particularly wise even by human standards and wants to use fear of punishment as a weapon is demonstrably inferior to, say, Qadaffi.

 

[Alceste]

Your apathy is noted.

Any answer yet? What will be your god's reaction for usurping him from his throne?

 

[LuisDantas]

No, YOU are calling God silly. Luis is saying that if god is as much of a twit as you portray him to be, that's too bad for god.

Damn right!

 

[bobhikes]

It's real simple.

Weak atheism is not having the belief in god. It is, therefore, a lack of belief.

?

Belief is used twice in this sentence and yet I am to pretend it doesn't exist.

If you have no scientific knowledge and you grew up in the jungle and say no animals other than a ones you know exist. This is still a belief.

If you have never had any knowledge of the moon because you lived in a cave all your life. The word for moon is not in you vocabulary. Someone comes in your cave and tells you the moon exists you refuse to leave your cave an see it. It is still a belief.

Just because an individual is unaware of something does not exclude them from belief but the contrary to exclude anything even flying pink elephants one must prove there non-existance or they believe they don't exist simply because they haven't observed them in their limited existance.

 

[Alceste]

I don't think of God as silly....really.

You portray him as an incredibly silly bugger, however you think of him. Really. God and all the angels are poring over discussion threads on RF just to see who is not adequately respectful of the insane ramblings of Thief, busily scribbling offending replies in the book of names? If that's not silly, I can't think what is.

 

[Thief]

So lumping the nonsense all in one....

God is silly?
You get to say so again...to Him.
I will stand back and watch.

Fear is important?...probably not.

Consequence for what you say....probably so.

 

[Alceste]

Lol, the utterly unfounded hubris of a true believer is a wonder to behold.

 

[Thief]

Lol, the utterly unfounded hubris of a true believer is a wonder to behold.

And the echo of disbelief will fade.

You do realize...
For your postings to be right...you have to be dead right.

Right?