Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
I don't know whether that makes it better or worse than most other subjects discussed on RF which are 2% semantics and 98% horse crap. Personally, I enjoy the subjects that are at least 1% retarded.
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Atheism: A belief?
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I don't know whether that makes it better or worse than most other subjects discussed on RF which are 2% semantics and 98% horse crap. Personally, I enjoy the subjects that are at least 1% retarded.
See, that doesn't work for me. That might be the definition of atheist, but not atheism.
Songbird
She rules her life like a bird in flight
I don't believe in atheists.
I agree. There are no true atheists. There are just cowardly theists.
Is it a matter of price?
Songbird
She rules her life like a bird in flight
Yes. Yes it is. Very much.
Gloone
Well-Known Member
So "One that holds no" or "A person that holds no" doesn't work for atheism, but does for atheist. What is it again that "ism" implies that changes the meaning of a word?
Songbird
She rules her life like a bird in flight
They're like Scotsmen, then?
Hmmm.....what do you charge to believe in me?
Is there a group discount if other RF heathens get together?
Songbird
She rules her life like a bird in flight
Chocolate, bacon, gold bullion, and/or unicorns, and yes there is a group discount. Just drop by my minotaur farm to submit your payment.
And a bunch of RF heathens all in one place?! PAAAAAARTAAY!!!
Oh yeah, you don't like hugs.
Gloone
Well-Known Member
If there are no true atheist then that means there are no true theist.
Theists are just atheists who are too cowardly to admit it.
Songbird
She rules her life like a bird in flight
I don't believe in theists.
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
I don't believe you.
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
Atheist is just a theist whose space bar doesn't work.
Atheism might be "the position that..." or "the idea that..."
The person ("one") is the atheist. Atheism is the idea or position that is "held", a thing in its own right.
shoinan
Member
It's really quite simple.
If you accept the definition 'atheism is lack of/absence of belief in god' then the belief that gods don't exist isn't atheism. Atheism is logically an implicit consequence of that belief - if you believe gods don't exist then by definition you also do not believe gods exist. Regardless, that belief itself is not atheism. Yet someone who believes gods do not exist is still logically an atheist.
So at a stretch you could say atheism can be the result of a belief. This still doesn't make it a belief. Whether or not you accept that definition is another matter.
If you accept the definition 'atheism is lack of/absence of belief in god' then the belief that gods don't exist isn't atheism. Atheism is logically an implicit consequence of that belief - if you believe gods don't exist then by definition you also do not believe gods exist. Regardless, that belief itself is not atheism. Yet someone who believes gods do not exist is still logically an atheist.
So at a stretch you could say atheism can be the result of a belief. This still doesn't make it a belief. Whether or not you accept that definition is another matter.
Gloone
Well-Known Member
Well that seems to clear a lot things up. So Atheism is just a position taken or made to refute theism. Positive atheism is just an absolute position then.
Deities are not coherent, therefor no god(s) exists. If they were there would be no objections within or among deities. Something like that?
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