Atheism is a RELIGION

[Matheist]

No they haven't.

If you were to show the probability of not a god being there, and a god being there.

Atheists will win each and every time.

So your Truth base solely on the issue of "God", and not:

Validity + Truth = Soundness

regardless of gods and religions.

 

[Matheist]

And who told you that Richard Dawkins gets the final say on how we define religion? I agree with much of what the man says, but not everything.

When it comes to magical fairies its:

1. Belief in magical fairies
2. A lack of belief in magical fairies.

So tell me, do you consider your lack of belief in magical fairies to be one of your religions? Is a MORE or LESS important religion to you than your lack of belief in little green men from Mars?

How does that decide what is Truth?


Here is the context for some perspective on our reality:



What is Truth? and with respect to the following conditions of life:

1. Atoms are empty space.

2. Therefore, you cannot prove your own existence.

3. Therefore, the only journey is one within. It is spirituality and religious practices.​

So who is more deluded between these two:

1. Atheism

2. Theism​

 

[SomeRandom]

I see nothing from the definition. Can you point out which of your arguments are consistent with the definition of Atheism?

That they don’t believe or lack the belief in a God is literally the opposite of all your posts defining what a religion is. If atheists are doing the opposite of what you yourself stated is religious, then how the hell are they a religion? It makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[QuestioningMind]

How does that decide what is Truth?


Here is the context for some perspective on our reality:



What is Truth? and with respect to the following conditions of life:

1. Atoms are empty space.

2. Therefore, you cannot prove your own existence.

3. Therefore, the only journey is one within. It is spirituality and religious practices.​

So who is more deluded between these two:

1. Atheism

2. Theism​

Wow! You're completely incapable of answering very simple and basic questions, aren't you? How about LISTENING and ANSWERING once in awhile instead of ignoring questions and responding with nonsense that doesn't even come CLOSE to addressing the question asked?

Try it! Just tell me, DO YOU CONSIDER YOUR LACK OF BELIEF IN MAGICAL FAIRIES TO BE ONE OF YOUR RELIGIONS? A simple YES or NO will suffice.

 

[Matheist]

#1. Atheism has nothing to do with Natural Order or Nature

Nobody is really arguing that atheism is a requirement of nature. I am not.

Therefore, it is a Religion (Forced Justice, vs. Natural Justice).

Nature is orderly. Math is logical.

There is order and the eventual decrease of potential energy, things crystallizing and getting colder.

Therefore, there is the LordLaw of Natural Order. There is God who controls everything on this Universe. Else, there is NO SCIENCE.

It is indeed an argument based on an opinion that its not a religion.

Atheism means someone doesn't have a belief in God. So for example if you say there is a God the atheist will either say "I am not convinced" "Maybe" or "No there isn't."

It is not according to your definition. Please read first post.

You can believe that there is order in the world but not believe in God, because order is obvious.

If you claimed to believe in the Natural Order, then that is the foundation of religion and validity of Gods. Then it became corrupted by Politicians and for Human Farming. Because of that, you need to research deeper to find out the natural truth from gods and religions. Making an argument from ignorance is not Truth.

Believing in God is a choice, but not believing in God is not. Its like lifting your arm is a choice, but not lifting it could just mean you aren't thinking about your arm.

That is a Religion.

Whereas "NO GOD" means:

He made all gods same god. (Quran 38:5)

#because not choosing in the reality of natural order (cause and effect) IS A CHOICE. That is an argument.

No, its not; because order is observable. Believing in God is believing in invisible things.

Choosing means something else. When you choose you are selecting options. If you simply don't see an option then you can't choose it.

It is an argument and free will is an illusion. You are free to choose, but you are not free from the consequence of your choice.

 

[Matheist]

If atheists are doing the opposite of what you yourself stated is religious, then how the hell are they a religion?

Because you believe Truth has a Religion/Group. That is a Religion.

 

[Matheist]

Wow! You're completely incapable of answering very simple and basic questions, aren't you? How about LISTENING and ANSWERING once in awhile instead of ignoring questions and responding with nonsense that doesn't even come CLOSE to addressing the question asked?

Try it! Just tell me, DO YOU CONSIDER YOUR LACK OF BELIEF IN MAGICAL FAIRIES TO BE ONE OF YOUR RELIGIONS? A simple YES or NO will suffice.

Your life itself is "MAGICAL FAIRIES"... how can you prove your own existence?

If you cannot prove your own existence, then what gives you the right to condemn their gods and religions?

 

[QuestioningMind]

Your life itself is "MAGICAL FAIRIES"... how can you prove your own existence?

If you cannot prove your own existence, then what gives you the right to condemn their gods and religions?

LOL Okay, thanks for demonstrating that you are simply INCAPABLE of having a balanced conversation. One VERY basic question and you sadly avoided it. My request for a simple YES or NO is apparently beyond your abilities. So sad.

Clearly you just want to blow endless hot air but are too afraid to actually engage in a discussion. Not sure why you're wasting everyone's time by making these OPs in the first place.

 

[Matheist]

Your life itself is "MAGICAL FAIRIES"... how can you prove your own existence?

LOL Okay, thanks for demonstrating that you are simply INCAPABLE of having a balanced conversation. One VERY basic question and you sadly avoided it. My request for a simple YES or NO is apparently beyond your abilities. So sad.

Clearly you just want to blow endless hot air but are too afraid to actually engage in a discussion. Not sure why you're wasting everyone's time by making these OPs in the first place.

I have already answered, both are living their life with "MAGICAL FAIRIES" .,

Thus the issue, what then gives you the right to condemn their gods, religions and way of life?

What makes you SUPREME than religious people?

That sound very religious to me.


Therefore: Atheism is a religion with 320,000,000 Gods.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

S'not! S'not a religion, s'not science, s'not a philosophy...s'not any of these (necessarily, although there's no reason why someone might not make their atheism the foundation of a religion or a philosophy if they wanted to but there's no reason why they should if they didn't) - atheism is just the lack of belief in deities. Belief in deities is not a religion either (necessarily...etc.)

I wonder, through, if it is not really in a way science or philosophy. After all, what both of those do, in their own fashion, is observe, hypothesize on what is observed, and test.

If I have never had an observation that prompted me to hypothesize some intervention by a deity, then I would certainly never have a reason to test it. Newtown never bothered to hypothesize antigravity and why heavy objects fly upward on their own for the simple reason that it was never something he observed. And in a way, that's a scientific way of thinking--that there's no reason to dream up explanations for events you've never observed.

 

[ChristineM]

Then why it is "1" and "0"?

and that does not explain it correctly since the goal of all life is death, but the energy remains at "1".

The total energy in the universe is 0. And you seem to be confusing binary with logic

So you believe in supernatural?

Wtf has the quantum world to do with supernatural?

There is no such thing" and that is absurd

Cherry picking and your total misunderstanding of science isnt my problem

beLIEf is not even a fact, but opinion. Whereas not choosing to live your life and align your nature to NATURE is a choice. It is the choice for your own destruction (ecological disorder).

You opinion and a strawman to boot.

Disbelief is therefore not opinion but fact.

We are nature... What NATURE are you inferring

 

[Matheist]

The total energy in the universe is 0.

Thus, and according to you:

1. Energy can be destroyed.
2. Energy can be created.
3. Energy cannot be transferred.​

 

[LuisDantas]

The official definition of Atheism

atheism. n. disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.​

Conclusion

1. It is a religious claim, and not rooted in science, logic, philosophy etc.​

Nope. It may qualify as a theological claim, perhaps. But it would need a lot more meat in its bones to constitute a religious claim.
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Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.

How so?

Atheism is a Religion.

Hardly. It would need some form of doctrine to be a religion, and it does not.

Disbelief in deities alone has nearly no implication whatsoever, and definitely does not constitute a doctrine of any sort.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Therefore, it is a Religion (Forced Justice, vs. Natural Justice).




Therefore, there is the LordLaw of Natural Order. There is God who controls everything on this Universe. Else, there is NO SCIENCE.





It is not according to your definition. Please read first post.




If you claimed to believe in the Natural Order, then that is the foundation of religion and validity of Gods. Then it became corrupted by Politicians and for Human Farming. Because of that, you need to research deeper to find out the natural truth from gods and religions. Making an argument from ignorance is not Truth.




That is a Religion.

Whereas "NO GOD" means:

He made all gods same god. (Quran 38:5)




It is an argument and free will is an illusion. You are free to choose, but you are not free from the consequence of your choice.

I have met some very ignorant atheists before, and I assert from experience it can arise from nothing more than ignorance.

To conclude:
Atheism doesn't assert anything, can accept Science or not, doesn't require politics, makes no comment about morality or law and can be ignorant. Therefore it cannot be a religion. If you believe in God I think you should consider it to be a state of ignorance about God. If someone opposes God knowing and believing in God they are something else. Rather than atheists they are enemies of God, and that is a different thing. An enemy of God believes in God but chooses to oppose, and I think it is unfair to describe atheists as that.

 

[LuisDantas]

Atheism not rooted in science, logic, philosophy, facts and based on the hasty generalization that there is no Truth in gods and religions.

Two issues here.

First, you are failing to acknowledge that any claims regarding the existence of deities are unavoidably arbitrary.

Atheism is at worst just as arbitrary as its alternatives, and much more pragmatical and safer.

Second, atheism in no way implies that there is "no truth" in religions (even those that demand theism) or even in gods themselves. It just denies belief in the existence of any deities, which is far less consequential thing than you seem to realize.

This is dogmatism, and it is RELIGIOUS. Different brands, but same product.

Myself, I would define "religion" in a more respectful way.

Dogmatism may be necessary to claim the existence of a deity, but I am having a hard time seeing how it could be involved in mere disbelief.

 

[SomeRandom]

Because you believe Truth has a Religion/Group. That is a Religion.

No, religion claims to know a Truth.
That people refute that claim or do not share the belief in said Truth, does not make that group of people a religion in and of itself. That’s ridiculous, to be frank.

 

[QuestioningMind]

I have already answered, both are living their life with "MAGICAL FAIRIES" .,

Thus the issue, what then gives you the right to condemn their gods, religions and way of life?

What makes you SUPREME than religious people?

That sound very religious to me.


Therefore: Atheism is a religion with 320,000,000 Gods.

PATHETIC! Who are the BOTH who are living their lives with magical fairies?

It's a YES or NO question. Do you consider your lack of belief in magical fairies to be your religion? Are you just not bright enough to comprehend a SIMPLE question?

 

[Matheist]

Why does the principle of Universal Causation seem to be inconsistent with the notion of Free Will?

Many claims we are born naturally, but that is not true. We are all born religious and our free will is inconsistent with the Natural Order. From the Quran, that is the basis or the foundation for the argument of Religion vs. Deen.

It has been said that the word Dīn appears in as many as 79 verses in the Qur'an, but because there is no exact English translation of the term, its precise definition has been the subject of some misunderstanding and disagreement. For instance, the term is often translated in parts of the Qur'an as "religion". However, in the Qur'an itself, the act of submission to God is always referred to as Dīn rather than as Madhhab (مذهب), which is the Arabic word for "religion"; Wikipedia​

The journey of our life begins from being religious to our free will and striving to reach enlightenment, ie. to align our nature with NATURE and being non-religious.

Then We reduced him to the lowest of the low. (95:5)​

This can be accomplished from two things:

1. Logic, ie. truth verification.
2. Ecological ways of life, self-preservation is the first law of nature.​

Accordingly being religious or non-religious in our reality is a myth. It is fallacious claims and without proofs and evidence. That is hypocrisy, it is not Truth.

On the other hand, Truth is more than "branding" or blind claims etc, and it must be supported with Fact. It must have a foundation and consistent, rather than being delusional.


“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge” Stephen Hawking

 

[Matheist]

PATHETIC! Who are the BOTH who are living their lives with magical fairies?

Then prove your own existence, bring proof you are not atoms and not an empty space. What is mind (consciousness)? Can your senses be trusted? Are your dreams real or lie? If it lied to you in your dream, how can you certain it is not lying to you in this reality? Can you prove all these or living your life with magical fairies?

 

[SalixIncendium]

The official definition of Atheism

atheism. n. disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.​

Conclusion

1. It is a religious claim, and not rooted in science, logic, philosophy etc.

2. The claim for belief in God (The Dawkin's Scale *)

3. The claim for disbelief in God

4. The claim for without belief in God

(vs. not making a choice when everything has its causes and effects, IS A CHOICE - Burden of Proof)​

* There are 320,000,000 Gods

Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.

Atheism is a Religion.



*

Premise 1: Who is an Atheist?

Pure Agnostic: God's existence and non-existence are exactly EQUIPROBABLE.
Weak Atheist: I do not know whether God exists, but I'm declined to be SKEPTICAL.
De-facto Atheist: I cannot know for certain, but I think God is very IMPROBABLE.​

Premise 2: "Equiprobable, skeptical, improbable" means:

1. Disbelief in God(s)
2. Belief in God(s)​

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Conclusion: Atheism is a religion with 320,000,000 Gods
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4. Pure Agnostic

God's existence and non-existence are exactly EQUIPROBABLE.​

equiprobable: (of two or more things) equally likely to occur; having EQUAL PROBABILITY.​

Therefore:

1. Disbelief in God(s)
2. Belief in God(s)
3. Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.​

5. Weak Atheist

I do not know whether God exists, but I'm declined to be SKEPTICAL.​

skeptical​

1. not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations.
2. relating to the theory that certain knowledge is impossible.​

Therefore:

1. Disbelief in God(s)
2. Belief in God(s)
3. Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.​

6. De-facto Atheist

I cannot know for certain, but I think God is very IMPROBABLE.​

improbable​

1. not likely to be true or to happen.

synonyms: unlikely, not likely, doubtful, dubious, debatable, questionable, uncertain;
More: unexpected and apparently inauthentic.​

Therefore:

1. Disbelief in God(s)
2. Belief in God(s)
3. Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.​

Yeah, this has been discussed and rehashed here on RF many times.

One question: Does disbelief or lack of belief in superstition make one a superstitious?

Wait, here's another: Does disbelief or lack of belief in conspiracies make on a conspiracy theorist?

Why do you want atheism to be a religion when it is clearly not?