atheism is a (religious position)

[Valjean]

How do you know your cat doesn’t believe in God?

She ignores religious symbols and icons, as well as all the holidays. She'll walk right over a Bible or copy of the Upanishads. If JWs or LDSs knock on the door she hides under the couch. She will occasionally stretch her front legs out and lower her chest to the floor, but rarely in the direction of Mecca.

 

[Eddi]

How does a non-opinion affect my life, except inasmuch as I don't act as a belief in God might dictate?

It means you don't pray, go to church, that kind of thing

It also effects one's world view for instance an Atheist cannot be a young earth creationist

 

[ImmortalFlame]

"Lack of belief" is both dishonest and deliberately convoluted as there is no logical reason for anyone to proclaim a "lack of belief". It's nonsense. What is actually being proclaimed is the antithetical to the theist's claim that God/gods exist. In more honest, forthright terms, what is being proclaimed is that the theist's claim (that God/gods exist) is being rejected.

So the question is why is the theist's claim being rejected? And the most common answer given is lack of sufficient information to enable one to know if the claim is true or not. But that doesn't make sense because the logical result of insufficient information is not to reject the proposal, but to remain undecided about it. But the atheist is rejecting the theist's proposition. Not remaining undecided about it.

So why are they rejecting the proposition instead of simply remaining undecided? Why are they choosing atheism instead of just remaining agnostic? This is my question, but I can't ever seem to get an answer.

So you're just going to ignore the fact that I proved you were wrong about the definition of atheism?

Cool. You're a really good faith debater.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

She ignores religious symbols and icons, as well as all the holidays. She'll walk right over a Bible or copy of the Upanishads. If JWs or LDSs knock on the door she hides under the couch. She will occasionally stretch her front legs out and lower her chest to the floor, but rarely in the direction of Mecca.

Only if she can state she is an atheist and knows there is the concept of gods.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

So you're just going to ignore the fact that I proved you were wrong?

Cool.

How is that a fact?

 

[PureX]

So you're just going to ignore the fact that I proved you were wrong about the definition of atheism?

Cool. You're a really good faith debater.

You couldn't even acknowledge my question, let alone answer it. There is no conversation to be had, here.

 

[Valjean]

Celibacy certainly is

Theism, abstinence, or a sexual position?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

You couldn't even acknowledge my question, let alone answer it. There is no conversation to be had, here.

Are you going to acknowledge that there ARE broad definitions of atheism that explicitly define it as a lack of belief?

Also, I already explicitly answered your question. You're just being dishonest.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Are you going to acknowledge that there ARE broad definitions of atheism that explicitly define it as a lack of belief?

Also, I already explicitly answered your question. You're just being dishonest.

Take that up with @Valjean too. There can't be different definitions of words, so one of you are wrong.

 

[Valjean]

You've encouraged me to look up the distinction between abstinence and celibacy.

From what I understand, abstinence is the position of abstaining from sex (natch) while celibacy is the vow to exercise abstinence over a period of time.

So... I guess both can be considered sexual positions, maybe?

Celibacy is the state of being unmarried.
Chastity and sexual abstinence is the eschewal of sex.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Celibacy is the state of being unmarried.
Chastity and sexual abstinence is the eschewal of sex.

Oh man, now we have to add a whole third category to this Venn diagram.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Celibacy is the state of being unmarried.
Chastity and sexual abstinence is the eschewal of sex.

Here is another one for celibacy: the state of abstaining from marriage and sexual relations.

 

[RestlessSoul]

She ignores religious symbols and icons, as well as all the holidays. She'll walk right over a Bible or copy of the Upanishads. If JWs or LDSs knock on the door she hides under the couch. She will occasionally stretch her front legs out and lower her chest to the floor, but rarely in the direction of Mecca.

She’s a non-conformist then

 

[Valjean]

So then they believe as they do based on faith, I guess. Yet they constantly deny that they believe anything on faith, and they chastise theists for it. Can you see the confusion, here?

So what is this sufficient reason when it's not knowledge?

So what are those very good reasons?

Same reason you don't believe in Cthulu or Quetzalcoatl.
Based on lack of evidence; on logic, not faith. Lack of belief in something without evidence is the rational, epistemic default.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

She’s a non-conformist then

I'm going to name my next cat "Non-Conformist".

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Same reason you don't believe in Cthulu or Quetzalcoatl.
Based on lack of evidence; on logic, not faith. Lack of belief in something without evidence is the rational, epistemic default.

Evidence that it works for all of the world as being a human.
How do you do this:

Science has limits: A few things that science does not do - Understanding Science

undsci.berkeley.edu

 

[Valjean]

Here is another one for celibacy: the state of abstaining from marriage and sexual relations.

Originally, celibacy was only abstaining from marriage. Chastity was a whole different thing. English is loosing fine distinctions of common terms. Some orders of catholic clergy take vows of chastity, for example, others take vows of celibacy.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Originally, celibacy was only abstaining from marriage. Chastity was a whole different thing. English is loosing fine distinctions of common terms. Some orders of catholic clergy take vows of chastity, for example, others take vows of celibacy.

Yeah and the verb be has over 10 different defintions.
In fact for the cat is multicolored and you are wrong it is not the same definition of the word be. Go figure.

 

[Valjean]

Eddi said:
Premise 1: Having a God Concept makes any belief system a religion - if a belief system features a belief about God then it is a religious belief system
A religion usually involves more than just knowing the meaning of "God."

Premise 2: Atheists have a God Concept. They have a position on God, an opinion on God that qualifies as a position and an opinion on God, even though Atheists either see no valid reason to believe in God or explicitly reject such a belief. The point is, they still have God-beliefs

No, not necessarily. If an aborigine deep in the jungle has never heard of God, and has no god concept, he is an atheist -- with no god concept, position or opinion.

 

[PureX]

Are you going to acknowledge that there ARE broad definitions of atheism that explicitly define it as a lack of belief?

No. Atheism is a very specific term referring to the antithetical position of theism. That is the rejection of the theist's proposition the God/gods exist.

Also, I already explicitly answered your question. You're just being dishonest.