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Atheism is not a default position
- Thread starter Willamena
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The set that includes no members capable of using the term god, no self-identified atheists, etc.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Yes. I think atheism covers that definition.
Curious George
Veteran Member
I am asking which definitions of god are not covered by this definition, and how so?
If a person tells us he's an atheist we all automatically know that this is a person who is not a theist and doesn't believe gods exist. How do we automatically know this? Because that is what defines an atheist Bunyip...
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Ask somebody else please.
When did membership in a set capable of using the term God become definitive?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I grew up favoring science.
I did attend catholic schools....and read things like St.Thomas Aquinas....
but I could see the stress of the logic as Thomas used it.
I then lean to science....and I consider science a means of discovering the mind and motivation of God.
a creation is a reflection of it's Creator.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Any organized religion has a declared decree.
the IRS insists on that decree.
you cannot apply for tax exemption without some declaration of belief.
OH!...you meant long ago!
How about when Moses came down from the mount with tablets in hand?
He looked upon his people....declared them unworthy....
and thousands died afterward
apparently, nonmembers are not allowed.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
so babies are not atheists
they have no definition....of God
they are ignorant.....of God
the term cannot apply to them
they cannot make a declaration of non-belief
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Augustus
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Apophatic definitions of god would not be covered, but there's not much that can be done to remedy that.
Shad
Veteran Member
Yes there is, it a a rejection of theism as true. Every other parameter attached to atheism is the type or method of rejections.
Dictionary do record correct definitions and context of the definitions, it is the purposes of dictionaries... Which is based on phonetics and etymology. The only set of dictionaries which include common usage are general purpose dictionaries which are lowest form of dictionaries since it will include slang or any word people may have used. If enough people start using the word dog in place of the word cat then these dictionaries will include it. Other dictionaries which are not influenced by the masses failure in use of proper language will not include these definitions. You confuse general dictionaries with all dictionaries. You confuse general dictionaries as even reliable in comparison to specialized dictionaries. Philosophical terms are specialization thus are found in specialized dictionaries. Atheism is a philosophical term and has been rooted in philosophy for centuries. You ignore this context instead relying on usage by a largely ignorant masses.
Think about the word theory. Anti-evolutionists will use the word theory outside of it's scientific context to undermine ToE. Likewise you are doing the same by ignoring the philosophical context. Just as I refuted "lack of" definition as being coherent I can likewise undermine other usages. Incoherent usage is not convincing in anyway.
Science is a means of discovering why people evolved a belief in gods and religions. The evolution of religion.
http://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2014/04/18/304156771/how-do-we-explain-the-evolution-of-religion
We created religions and gods and God is a reflection of us.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_of_God_(Christianity)
Obviously this guy didn't create us, we created him in our image...
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
You have two possibilities. Either this guy in the picture created us in his image or we created him in our image...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God
Thief
Rogue Theologian
nay.....You have two possibilities. Either this guy in the picture created us in his image or we created him in our image...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God
God is Spirit.
the image would be spirit.
the mortal frame does not represent God.
I don't blame an artist for trying....but God did say....
Thou shall not have any graven image before you.
Since gods are made up they can be whatever people claim them to be. What is interesting is the reason why people believe in gods and religions in the first place.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I do so ......for science